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Revan vs Revenge of the Sith
Topic Started: Dec 9 2014, 07:22 AM (845 Views)
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Revan is the same as we was when he killed Darth Malak.

Match 1
Rules:

No force powers (except force jump)
Arena: Invisible Hand, where Obi-Wan and Anakin fought Dooku.

Round 1: Revan vs Obi-Wan
Round 2: Revan vs Obi-Wan and Anakin
Round 3: Revan vs Yoda
Round 4: Revan vs Sidious
Round 5: Revan vs Mace Windu

Match 2
Rules:
Same fights, same arena, all force powers allowed.
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Interesting fight!

--- Revan can't beat Sidious or Yoda. Lucas said that Sidious is the most powerful Sith lord in all of Star Wars history. By extension, Yoda can beat Revan too, since he basically equaled Sidious.

---- Revan can definitely beat Obi-Wan IMHO.

--- Revan might be able to beat Anakin. It really depends on Anakin's frame of mind. When Anakin fought Dooku, according to the novelization, he drew from both the light and dark side of the force. This resulted in incredible power that dwarfed Dooku very quickly. However, when Anakin fought Obi-Wan, he was blinded by confusion and rage. So in summary: Revan can beat Anakin only if he doesn't draw on both sides of the force. If he does, I say tie.

--- Revan would lose in an incredibly awesome fight against Windu. Since Windu was able to fight well against Sidious, Windu should come out of the battle victorious with some injuries.

Summary:

Wins

Obi-Wan
Anakin [Without Drawing on Both Sides of the Force]

Losses

Sidious
Yoda
Windu

Tie

Anakin [Drawing On Both Sides of the Force]
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Round 1 - Sans Force Powers, mere saber skill, I'd say the RotS team sweeps the Prodigal Knight. I can't remember which style Revan used, but I recall it being incredibly balanced. Kenobi's incredibly defensive, Skywalker and Windu are borderline Dark-side aggressive, and Yoda and Palpatine are horrendously agile and unpredictable.

With Force Powers, short of Windu and Yoda, Revan takes the match I'd say.
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Dec 9 2014, 07:43 PM

With Force Powers, short of Windu and Yoda, Revan takes the match I'd say.
You think he can take on Sidious?? More or less, I agree with you, Ace, on everything but that
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Dec 9 2014, 07:43 PM
Round 1 - Sans Force Powers, mere saber skill, I'd say the RotS team sweeps the Prodigal Knight. I can't remember which style Revan used, but I recall it being incredibly balanced. Kenobi's incredibly defensive, Skywalker and Windu are borderline Dark-side aggressive, and Yoda and Palpatine are horrendously agile and unpredictable.
Revan used his lightsaber in a reverse grip. Not sure what form that is, but I can't imagine it's too defensive.
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Revan can beat Obi Wan maybe, It took the combination of losing Padme and being Obi Wan to beat Vader.
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Obi-Wan and Anakin are equals in terms of force abilities and Obi-Wan is the superior lightsaber combatant. Furthermore, Obi-Wan's Jedi discipline gives him an advantage in any situation.

Honestly, Anakin was really no match for Obi-Wan. There's a reason why Anakin never got to be a Jedi master.
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Dec 10 2014, 06:32 AM
Revan can beat Obi Wan maybe, It took the combination of losing Padme and being Obi Wan to beat Vader.


I'd be super upset if I saw Natalie Portman Force choked out too, nut I don't think that was Obi's main motivation. Maybe if he was drawing on the Dark Side, but there's no rage, no fury. His determination stems from the fact that he's lost his son, his brother, his friend. Anakin was Obi-Wan's family and he loved him dearly, like Anakin loved Ashoka, like Qui-Gon loved Obi-wan and so forth. Not everything comes down to losing the hot chick and going nuts to get super powers.

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Dec 10 2014, 07:15 AM
Obi-Wan and Anakin are equals in terms of force abilities and Obi-Wan is the superior lightsaber combatant. Furthermore, Obi-Wan's Jedi discipline gives him an advantage in any situation.

Honestly, Anakin was really no match for Obi-Wan. There's a reason why Anakin never got to be a Jedi master.


Technique perhaps, but Anakin has the superior potency. His connection to The Force is radically more powerful. But you are correct. Patience, discipline and all those other light side things gave Obi-Wan his victory.
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Dec 10 2014, 01:00 PM
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Dec 10 2014, 06:32 AM
Revan can beat Obi Wan maybe, It took the combination of losing Padme and being Obi Wan to beat Vader.


I'd be super upset if I saw Natalie Portman Force choked out too, nut I don't think that was Obi's main motivation. Maybe if he was drawing on the Dark Side, but there's no rage, no fury. His determination stems from the fact that he's lost his son, his brother, his friend. Anakin was Obi-Wan's family and he loved him dearly, like Anakin loved Ashoka, like Qui-Gon loved Obi-wan and so forth. Not everything comes down to losing the hot chick and going nuts to get super powers.

Actually I think Miguelnuva meant something different when he said losing Padme.

By that, I think he meant that Anakin had a great inner turmoil over feeling betrayed by Padme. Also, he realizes that he himself force choked his beloved wife.
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Ah that makes a lot more sense. Yeah Skywalker was pretty off balance in which case.
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Technique perhaps, but Anakin has the superior potency. His connection to The Force is radically more powerful. But you are correct. Patience, discipline and all those other light side things gave Obi-Wan his victory.
What about that scene where they both try and push each other back, and they both go flying? (1:51) Doesn't that imply that their force abilities are equal?
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Dec 11 2014, 12:49 AM
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Dec 10 2014, 01:00 PM
Technique perhaps, but Anakin has the superior potency. His connection to The Force is radically more powerful. But you are correct. Patience, discipline and all those other light side things gave Obi-Wan his victory.
What about that scene where they both try and push each other back, and they both go flying? (1:51) Doesn't that imply that their force abilities are equal?
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A small but critical indicator: Whereas Obi-Wan is tired from the battle, Anakin is relatively un-fatigued.

Were it not for the psychological turmoil, Anakin would have had a clearer connection with the Force.

With a clearer connection to the Force, Anakin probably would've won that Force Push struggle.

Although one should note that Anakin focused more on Lightsaber proficiency than Force proficiency
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From the books, the movie and GL himself Anakin is ranked like this.

ROTS Anakin= ROTS Obi Wan.

When Dooku ko's Obi-Wan and Anakin finally becomes the chosen one he is realizing his potential.
In The Zone Anakin> Dooku>ROTS Anakin= ROTS Obi Wan.

Statements from both before the movie, during and after the movie we know In The Zone Anakin is on his way to being the most powerful Jedi ever. Also based on statements GL says Anakin is 2x Sidious.

In The Zone Anakin>Yoda>/=Sidious>Mace>/=Dooku>ROTS Anakin= ROTS Obi Wan.

In Order to stay all powerful Anakin needs a clear mind and needs to believe he can do what he needs to get done. Once he becomes Vader Anakin is conflicted to the point where he can beat any Jedi that comes in contact with him but not to the point that Sidious and Yoda consider him a superior only that he can get stronger.

In The Zone Anakin>Yoda>/=Sidious>Lord Vader>Mace>/=Dooku>ROTS Anakin= ROTS Obi Wan.

Lord Vader is the hardest Anakin to place for me, as Sidous says he will become more powerful then either of us to Yoda which Yoda doesn't deny but he feels Obi Wan can handle him. We also know that Lord Vader must be stronger than Dooku and Grevious at this point, my offical stance is Yoda is just hoping since Lord Vader is weaker and Obi-Wan knows Anakin Obi-Wan can win.

Now even though GL doesn't follow power levels like DBZ Anakin suffers to big blows that make him come back down to Obi-Wan's level.

The fact that Pre-Suit Vader is fighting Obi-Wan he fighting someone that knows his style inside and out and a man he considers a brother. Pre Suit Vader also has lost Padme which is the big reason he can't just over power Obi-Wan.

Pre-Suit Vader is unable to draw on the light and dark side and his mind isn't clear, Pre-Suit Vader is just drawing on the dark side and he is not thinking clearly so he is making mistakes. Despite all of this Obi-Wan is stated to give ground and he knew Vader would kill him. It is a fluke that Vader lost to Obi-Wan and it is stated Pre-Suit Vader was getting stronger and stronger while Obi-wan was getting weaker. Pre-Suit Vader starts the fight at Obi-Wan's level and then gets stronger than that.

In The Zone Anakin>Yoda>/=Sidious>Lord Vader>Pre-Suit Vader(End of Fight)>/=Mace>/=Dooku>Pre-Suit Vader(Start of Fight)=ROTS Anakin= ROTS Obi Wan.

Pre Suit Vader is also difficult to place but as long as he is superior to Dooku it doesn't matter where he goes. The important part is he starts off equal to ROTS Anakin and finishes above Obi-Wan and Dooku.

ROTS Anakin=Regular Anakin that we see at the start of the movie and when Anakin isn't fighting.

In the Zone Anakin= Anakin that defeated Dooku and the Anakin that is the Chosen One and most powerful Jedi.

Lord Vader= Anakin right after he becomes a Sith is only slightly inferior to Zone Anakin and killed most of the Jedi at the temple. This Vader would have beat Obi-Wan and should be rivaling Yoda and Sidious. I meerly created this Anakin as he is still Zone Level but there are statements that say otherwise and as Anakin was crying on Musutafar he was conflicted which stops him from being In the Zone. This could all be Pre Suit Vader.

Pre Suit Vader= This Anakin could be the same as Lord Vader and Lord Vader might not even exist. This Vader is equal to ROTS Anakin and is simply more aggressive and has replaced the Light side with the Dark. He is less focused then Anakin but his power is fluctuating. At one point he is as strong as Obi-Wan and at others he is approaching Yoda and Sidious level.

Anakin's power also makes a lot more sense if Obi-Wan is the third most powerful Jedi of his time which would help Anakin's power fluctuating make more sense. It would also help ellimate Lord Vader and make the ROTS Anakin=Pre Suit Vader more true.

As for Revan he was owned by the Sith Emperor in his time so I only see him taking Obi-Wan, Dooku and maybe Mace and Anakin if he catches him out of the zone. Zone Anakin and even Pre Suit Vader should beat him and Yoda and Sidous murder him.
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