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| SSJ Goku and 100% Freeza : How Close Are They? | |||||||||||||
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| lazerbem | Dec 9 2014, 04:09 AM Post #1 | ||||||||||||
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Time for the revival of a rather old topic, but one I like a lot. What is the gap between 100% Freeza and SSJ Goku, including Freeza's power drained 100% at the end when Goku was slugging him. I tend to have them very close, something like 140 million to to 150 million, at least when Freeza is fresh. When he starts losing ki, he hits 120 million and gets pummeled. I have them close because when Goku outright tells Freeza to "DIE!" and fires a giant Kamehameha at him....Freeza blocks it with his shield and proceeds to drive Goku's face through about 100 feet of rock. That is probably Freeza's best showing and displays that even Goku firing a full out Kamehameha is unable to kill Freeza, if only because Freeza's Nova Strike is ridiculously versatile as a technique. |
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| EMIYA | Dec 9 2014, 04:13 AM Post #2 | ||||||||||||
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Freeza proved himself to be Goku's rival. He was trading blows, knocking out blood, landing legitimate hits. He point blank took on the KHH, rivaled it and then through clever maneuver knocked Goku right into the sea. Even during the end, Freeza was still going strong. He was landing hits, taking blows to the face. Goku wasn't having an easy time, he was taking the fight very seriously. It was a short fight and there's no doubt that Goku most likely had the overall advantage. But in that short amount of time, Freezaed at full power was a person who definitely rivaled Goku. This wasn't a fight Goku could go easy on, this was fight that he took dead seriously up until Freeza's stamina failed him. And what does Goku say? He doesn't tell Freeza to get stronger. He tells him to work on his stamina and polish up his skills. So if you guys use those guidebook numbers, go right a head. But I'm going to assume that a 1.25x difference to you guys means "nigh hellishly equal fight." |
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| Saberoph | Dec 9 2014, 04:13 AM Post #3 | ||||||||||||
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I thought Frieza was 130 Million, at least that's what I remember being stated. | ||||||||||||
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| EMIYA | Dec 9 2014, 04:17 AM Post #4 | ||||||||||||
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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It was a 120 million to Goku's 150 million in the guidebooks. | ||||||||||||
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| Saberoph | Dec 9 2014, 04:22 AM Post #5 | ||||||||||||
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Either way, like you said it was a pretty close fight and if Namek wasn't exploding and Frieza's stamina wasn't dropping... it would've been cool to see it to the end. We really didn't get to see a lot of those, completely one on one without any distractions, it would've been nice. | ||||||||||||
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| DEY DID DIS 2 ME | Dec 9 2014, 04:35 AM Post #6 | ||||||||||||
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MY FACE!
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Freeza vs Son was similar to Boo vs Son, except that Son could not raise his power to beat Boo because his lack of energy would not allow it. In all earnest, however, since Freeza could do very little against Son at the very start of battle, he was already doomed to fail. It seems that fighters usually reach maximum only for certain instances, like Son fighting Kid Boo, but then stating that he can find enough power to beat him. Freeza has to joose his muscles just to maintain his maximum which, I assume, steadily took a lot out of him. If one would go by Daiz then I'd imagine Freeza's and Son's fighting power to look like:
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| Fearless Saiyajin | Dec 9 2014, 08:23 AM Post #7 | ||||||||||||
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Ssjin Goku: 150,000,000 Frieza: 140,000,000 Freeza drained: 120,000,000 |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Dec 9 2014, 02:57 PM Post #8 | ||||||||||||
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I've got no beef with what the Daizenshuu suggests. | ||||||||||||
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lol jk OT: I think Freeza is a lot worse. Edited by StrawHatCrew, Dec 9 2014, 03:13 PM.
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| SpeedoTrunks | Dec 9 2014, 03:27 PM Post #10 | ||||||||||||
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I know what the power levels say, but I always think it wasn't a lot of difference. It basically came down stamina. Frieza was just running out of steam whilst Goku just had it in the bag. Could Goku have ended it sooner, (much like how he does anyway), who knows. Maybe, but I doubt Goku himself knew the extent of his full power at the time. Frieza had enough to put him away if he didn't let his pride/ego get in the way, that's what makes him my all time favorite villain! |
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| DSTREET45 | Dec 9 2014, 03:30 PM Post #11 | ||||||||||||
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I personally roll with: Goku = 150,000,000 Frieza = 145,000,000 |
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| EMIYA | Dec 9 2014, 03:37 PM Post #12 | ||||||||||||
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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One thing I don't understand is where people say Goku is going easy on Freeza or holding back? Where is he holding back? Where is it stated or implied that he's holding back. He was popping veins during that Kamehameha and everything. So I have to ask, where? Where is it shown, implied, stated, anything that Goku is holding back? Because you know what I see? I see Goku and Freeza going all out against each other, screaming, and raging and frothing and trying to kill each other until finally Freeza's stamina gave out while Goku was still strong to go. And I see this all the time. Goku was holding back, goku was beating Freeza's a***. I don't know what manga you guys were reading but, I sure as hell didn't read this in their fight. Edited by EMIYA, Dec 9 2014, 03:42 PM.
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| Event Horizon | Dec 9 2014, 03:50 PM Post #13 | ||||||||||||
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SSJ Goku: 150,000,000 Freeza: 140-145,000,000 If Freeza's at 120,000,000 that's a 1.25x gap between him and Goku. And if we use the gap between Vegeta and Dodoria (1.09 - 1.2x), Goku should have little trouble with Freeza. But Freeza clearly gave Goku a challenge. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Dec 9 2014, 03:55 PM Post #14 | ||||||||||||
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gaps are highly inconsistent. Vegeta was able to hold his own against Goku using Kaioken x3(and even survived a Kaioken x4 Kamehameha), yet the difference between Kiwi and Vegeta was the same, and Vegeta one shot him with no effort. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Dec 9 2014, 03:56 PM.
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| EMIYA | Dec 9 2014, 03:57 PM Post #15 | ||||||||||||
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Vegeta didn't hold his own against KK3 Goku, he got the snot kicked out of him. Just because Vegeta survived (Which was nothing short of plot in the end) doesn't mean Vegeta's power now rivals KK3 Goku or anything. You might say he has better endurance or something buts its clear as far as fighting capabilities, he's greatly outmatched. I mean that would be like me saying that since Vegeta didn't instantly die when Freeza beat him to an inch of his life, that means Vegeta rivals Freeza. Edited by EMIYA, Dec 9 2014, 03:58 PM.
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