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Why Goku didn't turn into Ssjin3 inside Boo's body
Topic Started: Dec 6 2014, 03:57 PM (5,697 Views)
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Dec 10 2014, 04:10 PM
Basic Logic should tell you one thing.

If Piccolo isn't too concerned about the RoSaT when the match-up is SSJ Gotenks vs. Fat Boo and is stressing the importance of it when the match-up is SSJ Gotenks vs. Evil Boo, what do you get?
If nobody states Gotenks is strong enough to defeat Boo, what do you get?
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myst1c
Dec 10 2014, 05:08 PM
Nagito Komaeda
Dec 10 2014, 04:10 PM
Basic Logic should tell you one thing.

If Piccolo isn't too concerned about the RoSaT when the match-up is SSJ Gotenks vs. Fat Boo and is stressing the importance of it when the match-up is SSJ Gotenks vs. Evil Boo, what do you get?
If nobody states Gotenks is strong enough to defeat Boo, what do you get?
That's an impossible situation, as we get Goku stating that he can and Piccolo not countering it when Gotenks transforms.

Oh, I forgot, Goku was lying, right? And I guess Piccolo's in on the little game too.
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Dec 10 2014, 04:09 PM
I just realized I still have the ability to warn people....

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Maybe this incessant and unnecessary trolling and BS should stop now. And people should stop ignoring the goddamn statements given.
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I know where this is going, and now the trolling has to stop for every member... today is a good day.

As for the argument that's going on: The Namek freaked out and says SS Gotenks can no longer beat Super Boo after it was stated that Everything about him is greater than before. To argue that everything but Super Boo's Ki has increased, then you argue the very Definition of the word Everything, so by The Namek's own admission Super Boo has become stronger.

As for the Topic it's self: Kakarrot didn't go Super Saiyan 3 inside Super Boo because it was pointless and it wouldn't have gotten him anywhere.
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Dec 10 2014, 03:36 PM
Piccolo: "Holy s*** guys this guy is greater in everything compared to the Boo you were expected to beat, get your asses in the ROSAT stat! But don't worry there's not much of a gap between him and the fat one, but hurry! Hurry or everyone dies! Seriously you two you could've taken him on right now, easily maybe. But get in there! Train! We'll have the others risk their lives to keep him busy why you train unnecessarily to defeat a guy you could already have defeated."

Trunks: This sounds counterproductive.

Piccolo: Shouldn't you be training in the ROSAT to defeat the guy who is barely stronger than the guy you could already have beaten? Get going maggots *turns to the others* Alright guys, this is our last stand to keep Majin Boo occupied, Chi-Chi, you hit him with your broom.
What a lot of illogical conjecture. Why do you still keep saying piccolo thinks they could beat fat buu. As i've said repeatedly, its never stated or implied piccolo believed they could wīn. What is actually implied is piccolo is not at all impressed with gotenks and is uncertain of any chance of victory with him. This is all implied with his expressions, that akira carefully and clearly made so we can understand the situation using our common sense.

The already dire situation got heated when fat buu transformed into a more difficult opponent, but he(piccolo) still held on to hope of gotenks using the ROSAT for one day and coming out strong enough.

Piccolo: buus become pure evil and his body now suited for fighting
Krillin: dont worry goku said gotenks will be the strongest in the universe
Piccolo: We can only hope so.

The situation got even more heated/immediate when buu popped up in front them...piccolo then tried to get them an hour out of the day, but was unsuccessful.


Although i believe he included power when saying everything was greater. i can understand why people wouldnt. it wouldnt be right for piccolo to be the only one that noticed it (his ki sensing ability was never shown in the past to be superior than the others) . krillin, goku and trunks(who could tell gokus as ssj2 was as strong as his father but couldnt tell a difference in buu apart from his appearance.
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Firstly, Piccolo never expected Gotenks to use the ROSAT for a day. The ROSAT never once came up until Boo popped up and they realized that unless they did something now, Super Boo would slaughter Gotenks.

Yes, power is included. Everything is everything, that includes power, speed, strength, defense, whatever. Not only is Boo's appearance different, but everything about him is greater than before. That includes power, that includes ki sensing, that includes intelligence, that means that everything..."EVERYTHING"...is better.

If "power" is not greater...than that means "everything" is not greater. It's a contradiction of definition. Get a dictionary and look it up.
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Firstly, Piccolo never expected Gotenks to use the ROSAT for a day. The ROSAT never once came up until Boo popped up and they realized that unless they did something now, Super Boo would slaughter Gotenks.

He told them to train for one day its only logical he meant the ROSAT...or did you want akira to 'spoon feed' us that?

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If "power" is not greater...than that means "everything" is not greater. It's a contradiction of definition. Get a dictionary and look it up.

It wouldnt be the first time a word was carelessly or wrongly used in the manga.
super buu: This is the birth of the strongest 'possible' majin. i couldn't 'possibly' be stronger than this.

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Firstly, Piccolo never expected Gotenks to use the ROSAT for a day. The ROSAT never once came up until Boo popped up and they realized that unless they did something now, Super Boo would slaughter Gotenks.

He told them to train for one day its only logical he meant the ROSAT...or did you want akira to 'spoon feed' us that?

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If "power" is not greater...than that means "everything" is not greater. It's a contradiction of definition. Get a dictionary and look it up.

It wouldnt be the first time a word was carelessly or wrongly used in the manga.
super buu: This is the birth of the strongest 'possible' majin. i couldn't 'possibly' be stronger than this.

Trying to disregard the use of a word to support your otherwise evidence-deprived argument isn't very effective.
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Chapter: 499 (DBZ 305), P11.1
Boo: “…What do you think, Gohan? My strategy succeeded safely. Look, isn’t it magnificent? This is a moment that will never appear again, no matter what the future may hold: the birth of the strongest majin.”


On the topic of Gotenks using the RoSaT, isn't it weird that after Piccolo told Gotenks to "train as much as you can," no mention of the RoSaT was present?

Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P13.2-3
Context: after Gotenks returns from fighting Boo
Gotenks: “I got the tar beaten out of me…”
Piccolo: “Alright, your fight with Majin Boo is 1 day from now! Until then, train as much as you can! If you get even a little bit stronger, it will be more effective when you perform Fusion. Got that, you miserable little punks?!”


Keep in mind this was said after Base Gotenks came back from fighting Boo, not Super Saiyan Gotenks, so this was the day after Goku left, giving them that whole day and then a whole other day to train for Boo (which is supported by Piccolo's statement above as well as Herms' timeline).[1] Piccolo didn't have the boys fuse as Super Saiyans until the second day, which means he had the entire rest of the first day to send the boys into the Room of Spirit and Time, yet we know from later in the story that he never did this. If he wanted the boys to train in the Room of Spirit and Time, what was he waiting for -- the last possible second before their designated time expired? And if he did send them into the Room of Spirit and Time (without any mention of having done so by any character or out-of-universe source), why was it treated as an entirely new thing for the boys and as a surprise to Krillin (who was on the Lookout the entire time), instead of something they'd already done? It would make no sense, even in an arc as badly written as this one. Posted Image
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Is Nanho used to be Simplexible, Pyrus? Seems both of them doesn't agree that everything means without exception.

@Master Saberoph,
That's not a very good reason. If Ssjin3 wouldn't do better then what would Ssjin/2 do any better? Its like Goku is about to suicide which is unlikely.
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They're different people. Simplexible is a more "intelligent" kind of troll, but I digress.

If we're questioning why Goku didn't use his strongest form, why aren't we questioning why Vegeta didn't either?
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Vegeta was Ssjin2. I have a hard time noticing between Ssjin and Ssjin2 differences.
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Dec 11 2014, 01:01 PM
Vegeta was Ssjin2. I have a hard time noticing between Ssjin and Ssjin2 differences.
It's clear that he wasn't. He lacked the aura, lightning, and his hair is somewhat spikier as a Super Saiyan 2.

I mean, this is Toriyama, not Toei.
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Dec 11 2014, 12:09 PM
@Master Saberoph,
That's not a very good reason. If Ssjin3 wouldn't do better then what would Ssjin/2 do any better? Its like Goku is about to suicide which is unlikely.
Not really, because being SS and SS2 Kakarrot can at least figure something out and have stamina left in the tank. If he went SS3 he wouldn't have any stamina left, then after Chbi Boo blows up Earth, at some point either Dendo or Kibitoshin would have to restore Kakarrot, so either Chbi Boo would have to stand there and wait for that to happen, or stand there and wait for the Fusion conversation and that's not in his character to do that, that's not Chibi Boo.
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Can figure something? While fighting Boo? Alot of ppl says Goku is weaker than Base Gotenks and what would his Ssjin/2 manage something?
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Perhaps he transformed into SSJ2 for the speed boost, considering how easily he can transform into it. After all, they wanted to get out of Boo as soon as possible. The speed boost of SSJ3 wasn't worth all the negatives that came along with the form.
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