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Why Goku didn't turn into Ssjin3 inside Boo's body
Topic Started: Dec 6 2014, 03:57 PM (5,698 Views)
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Everything is greater. Yes, but I prefer to look at it this way:

a) This Boo is able to sense Ki.
b) This Boo has a better body equipped for fighting.
c) He has become Pure Evil.
d) He has access to Fat Boo's full potential.

Nothing really says his Ki increased. Krillen makes a statement that says he doesn't sense much of a difference in his Ki, save that it feels different from being completely evil. Goten & Trunks see this Super Buu Initial, and think they can defeat Buu even in their normal form. This leads me to believe that Fat Boo's power simply transitioned into Super Boo, but under more controllable and deadly circumstances, some being that he can now fight better and better control his Ki and full power. However, much to their dismay, their increased strength still wasn't enough.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Congratulations everyone the definition of "everything" has now apparently changed. I will have to remember to get a new dictionary.
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Wait, what? Everything means EVERYTHING. And power is damn well included in that. It doesn't matter what YOU prefer. This is getting f***ing ridiculous.

"herp derp, everything about his is greater than before. oh except for his power because apparently power is something completely different".

There's a word you use so that you don't have to mention every little thing. FYI, it's called 'everything'.
Instead of Piccolo saying "his power, speed, durability, stamina etc. etc." is greater, he said everything.
Edited by Event Horizon, Dec 10 2014, 04:28 AM.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

@ Oskuras.

I suggest you pick up a dictionary because your wrong. Ki wasn't mentioned at all so his ki didn't increase. Speed wasn't mentioned either, nor was intelligence, or defense, or endurance, or regeneration, or anything. The only thing mentioned was appearance. Which means that's all that matters. Majin Boo became a pimp and Piccolo knew that unless Gotenks worked on dem dance skillz Super Boo was going to murder him with his elite break dancing.

His body was just better.
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myst1c
Dec 10 2014, 03:58 AM
Everything is greater. Yes, but I prefer to look at it this way:

a) This Boo is able to sense Ki.
b) This Boo has a better body equipped for fighting.
c) He has become Pure Evil.
d) He has access to Fat Boo's full potential.

Nothing really says his Ki increased. Krillen makes a statement that says he doesn't sense much of a difference in his Ki, save that it feels different from being completely evil. Goten & Trunks see this Super Buu Initial, and think they can defeat Buu even in their normal form. This leads me to believe that Fat Boo's power simply transitioned into Super Boo, but under more controllable and deadly circumstances, some being that he can now fight better and better control his Ki and full power. However, much to their dismay, their increased strength still wasn't enough.
What you want to believe and the Definition of the word Everything is two different things.

"all things; all the things of a group or class."
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/everything
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/everything
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/everything

Three sites can't be wrong, but of course like always, you're going to twist it around and take it out of context for your opinion.
Edited by Saberoph, Dec 10 2014, 05:50 AM.
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myst1c
Dec 10 2014, 03:58 AM
a) This Boo is able to sense Ki.
b) This Boo has a better body equipped for fighting.
c) He has become Pure Evil.
d) He has access to Fat Boo's full potential.
Goku: "I could have defeated Boo back on Earth."
Goku: "I'm no match for Evil Boo."

Case closed.
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The context does put things into perspective so let's examine it. Goten and Trunks (people who can sense ki) finally notice a difference in Buu after seeing him with their own eyes. Piccolo confirms that Buu has changed but it's not just his appearance, everything about him is better, again he's talking to 2 guys who can sense ki. In his eyes, these two guys who can sense Ki don't know exactly what has changed about Buu and he has to fill them in.

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As far as I'm aware the kids didn't offer any significant input on Super Boo's ki. Trunks seemed shocked Super Boo was Fat Boo and Goten stuttered out "Boo had changed". Even if they didn't know Piccolo is more experienced at ki sensing than either of them and Boo's ki was been sensed wrong by even him.

What do you think Piccolo meant when he said Super Boo was greater at everything though? If Boo was better at everything enough to beat Gotenks now, but he didn't get any stronger, then what is your interpretation of the dialogue? It wasn't his appearance/body as Piccolo mentioned, so what was it? Do keep in mind Piccolo was so desperate he let humanity get wiped out just to buy more time because of these "greater" attributes, whatever they are.

Was he... faster? I mean, that's a given, right? If Piccolo thought Gotenks could defeat Fat Boo the next day he must have thought they were at least similar in speed. Did Super Boo have more strength? Also obvious if Piccolo thought Gotenks could defeat Fat Boo but not Super. More speed, more power... these things sound awfully similar to what a higher ki offers. Hell, maybe he meant... a greater ki...?

Sorry if I got a little Captain Obvious there.

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Super Buu is a better fighter and his body is better suited to fighting, both in body and mind he's miles above Fat Buu, he's more skilled, agile, sinister and a lot less clumsy, Super Buu simply makes the most of what Ki Fat Buu had. Another advantage they had on Fat Buu was that he's dumb, playful and innocent, when Super Buu appeared, that was out of the question.

metal4ever
 
And how could Piccolo possibly he was more skilled, agile, or less clumsy from just a ki signal?

I don't believe those attributes are enough to justify Piccolo's fear though. Even if what you were saying were true, it wouldn't make that big of a difference in a fight. Super Boo and Fat Boo would still be nearly even in a hypothetical fight because they hold the same amount of power.

For Piccolo to start freaking out like he did he'd have to have thought Super Boo got a lot faster and stronger.

Squidward
 
Piccolo could tell a lot from about a person from their Ki (he was able to tell that Gohan was a completely different person just by sensing his Ki), he could also tell a lot about Buu from his body and the Grey Buu vs Fat Buu fight.

metal4ever
 
How does being able to tell Gohan was more confident translate to sensing a person's prowess in battle?

It's almost like Squidward is pulling things out of his a***. Don't be a Squidward, kids.

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As for proof Super Boo's ki increased:

1. Piccolo said, in addition to his appearance, everything about him was definitely better than before. Which is why he sent Gotenks into the Room of Spirit and Time when Super Boo showed up and not when Fat Boo was destroying the planet.
2. Goku said he stood no chance against Super Boo. He only ever confessed he lied about Fat Boo.
3. Super Boo's ki is immediately felt from the Kaioshin's Realm.
4. Goku said Pre-RoSaT SSj Gotenks can defeat Fat Boo, Super Boo easily defeated Post-RoSaT SSj Gotenks.

Yada yada, you know all the proofs, why must I keep repeating them?
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Dec 10 2014, 03:51 AM
"Everything is greater" Add in Piccolo crapping himself and hoping for a miracle for Gotenks to win kind of indicates a "huge" gap. Whatever that gap might be is anyones guess but its pretty much stated that there's a gap and the reactions given is that it is a "huge" gap.
:lol: And where is the gap stated??? what reactions? you mean the one that indicate buu is a overall better being, his reaction isnt just derived from buu power or obviously he would have mentioned it specifically. Its more about everything else he specifically mention (jesus even a child can figure this out)....hes more evil, and has a body of a fighter, and after observing more of his skills..(he can sense ki) and smarter with better control of his power (killing everyone as quickly as he did) he got even more nervous; This indicates no huge power gap between the 2.

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"I am the bone of my sword."

Piccolo: "Holy s*** guys this guy is greater in everything compared to the Boo you were expected to beat, get your asses in the ROSAT stat! But don't worry there's not much of a gap between him and the fat one, but hurry! Hurry or everyone dies! Seriously you two you could've taken him on right now, easily maybe. But get in there! Train! We'll have the others risk their lives to keep him busy why you train unnecessarily to defeat a guy you could already have defeated."

Trunks: This sounds counterproductive.

Piccolo: Shouldn't you be training in the ROSAT to defeat the guy who is barely stronger than the guy you could already have beaten? Get going maggots *turns to the others* Alright guys, this is our last stand to keep Majin Boo occupied, Chi-Chi, you hit him with your broom.
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Does someone need to call Toriyama and ask him to record himself saying Evil Boo was much stronger than Fat Boo? Don't force people into that position!
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Dec 10 2014, 03:40 PM
Does someone need to call Toriyama and ask him to record himself saying Evil Boo was much stronger than Fat Boo? Don't force people into that position!
''Ah, I finally got through. Yes, Toriyama-san? I have one query that I'd like you to answer. Is Evil Boo much, much stronger than Fat Boo?''
''Boo? Who's that?''
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Apparently some people expect Toriyama to spoon feed us.
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Dec 10 2014, 03:56 PM
Apparently some people expect Toriyama to spoon feed us.
Piccolo: ''I-Impossible...!!''
Krillin: W-What is it?''
Piccolo: ''Boo...h-he's much greater than before in every possible aspect...He's gone from 5'11 to 6'2. By the Gods, he's gone from being as skilled as Pre-Budokai Goku to being as skilled as Base Goku (Cell Games)...''
Krillin: ''Oh no! I-is there anything else?''
Piccolo: ''Unfortunately, yes. He's got a much slimmer build now; I'd say that he lost about 4 stone, maybe an additional 5 pounds. His expression is also different; his eyes are always visible now. He truly is greater in every way.''
Krillin: ''What about his power?''
Piccolo: ''I can't tell, I'd have to see him up close to give you an answer.''
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"I am the bone of my sword."

I just realized I still have the ability to warn people....

:)

Maybe this incessant and unnecessary trolling and BS should stop now. And people should stop ignoring the goddamn statements given.
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Basic Logic should tell you one thing.

If Piccolo isn't too concerned about the RoSaT when the match-up is SSJ Gotenks vs. Fat Boo and is stressing the importance of it when the match-up is SSJ Gotenks vs. Evil Boo, what do you get?
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