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Why Goku didn't turn into Ssjin3 inside Boo's body
Topic Started: Dec 6 2014, 03:57 PM (5,699 Views)
Event Horizon
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Statements are valid as long as they don't contradict something. SSJ Gotenks being stronger than SSJ3 Goku or Fat Boo works completely fine - it's just you that refuse to accept/believe it.

Piccolo doesn't need to say that he's strong enough. He just previously stated that he doesn't stand a chance in Base. If he doesn't say something similar to SSJ Gotenks, heavily implies that SSJ Gotenks is enough to beat Fat Boo.
In fact, Piccolo was in total awe of SSJ Gotenks' power.
It would be completely illogical for Piccolo NOT to say something about his power had he still been weaker than Fat Boo.

Base Gotenks
"Hey idiot, you don't stand a chance against Fat Boo"

SSJ Gotenks
"Your power has increased, but you still can't beat Fat Boo"

But you never see that last part, do you?
Edited by Event Horizon, Dec 9 2014, 07:00 PM.
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Dec 9 2014, 06:32 PM
>Goku says Gotenks won't lose to Fat Boo.
>Piccolo outright says that Base Gotenks doesn't stand a chance against Fat Boo.
>Piccolo doesn't say s*** about power when it comes to SSJ Gotenks, he only questions his speed.

Now tell me, if SSJ Gotenks was still weaker than Fat Boo, why didn't Piccolo say that? He had absolutely no problem saying it when it was Base Gotenks.
SSJ Gotenks (Pre) > Fat Boo

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Why piccolo say something then when hes already mentioned previously, they should use the last day to train? also even after they fused at ssj level. take a look at piccolo expressions there isnt a once of excitement..


Father Brofist
Dec 9 2014, 06:32 PM
Not really. Better be safe then sorry. If your allowed another day to train, why not take it
Safe than sorry? quit joking around the fact that this came after gotenks got beaten pretty easily you know damn well this has to do with him being weaker than predicted.
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Also if they master fusion they still wouldn't be Boo? When does this come into play? He doesn't say it because of Fat Boo and by the time Super Boo comes, I would believe the kids have already mastered fusion. If you are talking about Super BOo and how Gotenks doesn't have a chance, I don't know what you mean by general speaking.
I meant hes speaking of the whole fusion plan as failure from even before evil buu(which is inferred by his overall lack, or zero enthusiasm)..which is why the manga doesn't specify whether its 'this' buu; its more a general statement..understand now?

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Piccolo had no problem with Gotenks fighting Fat Boo. When he saw SSJ Gotenks he complimented his poewr and merely asked to see his speed. If Gotenks was vastly weaker than Boo, Piccolo should've freaked out.

Why would he freak out??? they still have a day left to train......

Edited by Nanho, Dec 9 2014, 07:08 PM.
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Why piccolo say something then when hes already mentioned previously, they should use the last day to train? also even after they fused at ssj level. take a look at piccolo expressions there isnt a once of excitement..


There isn't an ounce of fear either.

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Safe than sorry? quit joking around the fact that this came after gotenks got beaten pretty easily you know damn well this has to do with him being weaker than predicted.


What joke? It's stated Gotenks can defeat Fat Boo, how easily or how hard is up to you, Piccolo nor anyone else denies this. He doesn't say SSJ Gotenks is weaker, he just wants to see his speed. Even when Gotenks goes off to fight Boo, Piccolo doesn't say Gotenks is weaker (Something he did say about Base Gotenks) he got angry about the the fact that the fusion time was about to wear off.

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I meant hes speaking of the whole fusion plan as failure from even before evil buu(which is inferred by his overall lack, or zero enthusiasm)..which is why the manga doesn't specify whether its 'this' buu..its more a general statement..understand now?


When does he say anything about the fusion plan as a failure? It was implied pretty well that Gotenks could take on Fat Boo, its only when Super Boo came around that things went south.

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Why would he freak out??? they still have a day left to train......


Because if Gotenks was still significantly weaker than Fat Boo and you only had one more day to train, you'd freak out too when the entire planet and universe is potentially in danger. Piccolo treats it as any old thing, no worries. If Gotenks was significantly worried, don't you think Piccolo would fear the fact that Gotenks might not actually be able to win?
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and around in circle we go..

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There isn't an ounce of fear either.


A day left to train...

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He doesn't say SSJ Gotenks is weaker, he just wants to see his speed. Even when Gotenks goes off to fight Boo, Piccolo doesn't say Gotenks is weaker (Something he did say about Base Gotenks) he got angry about the the fact that the fusion time was about to wear off.
Again why would he say ssj gotenks is weak then, when hes already planing on letting them train?

and of course he'd mention the most important thing at the time..

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When does he say anything about the fusion plan as a failure? It was implied pretty well that Gotenks could take on Fat Boo, its only when Super Boo came around that things went south.
Implied where? its implied pretty well from piccolos indifferent/lack of enthusiasm expressions he doesnt have full or very little confidence in the fusion.

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Because if Gotenks was still significantly weaker than Fat Boo and you only had one more day to train, you'd freak out too when the entire planet and universe is potentially in danger. Piccolo treats it as any old thing, no worries. If Gotenks was significantly worried, don't you think Piccolo would fear the fact that Gotenks might not actually be able to win?
One day= one year..remember? of course you know i'm talking about the room on the look out.

And piccolo is not the pessimistic type if theres a slim chance of victory, he'l hold on to it.

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Piccolo never said anything about the ROSAT, so I don't know what your talking about there. The only time Gotenks was going to go into the ROSAT was for Super Boo. The ROSAT was a super important place that should only be used sparingly. It was made clear that once the kids mastered fusion, they could defeat Majin Boo. They didn't need the ROSAT at all.

I don't know what your bringing up the Rosat in regards to Fat Boo or. And before I can go on, we got to figure what this whole ROSAT business your talking about is. The only time Piccolo mentions the ROSAT is when Super Boo comes.

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^ Well its only logical hes talk about ROSAT, how is he going to make any significant gains in one day?
Edited by Nanho, Dec 9 2014, 08:33 PM.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

That's kind of an assumption isn't it? They had two days given to them. If they needed the ROSAT so badly, why didn't they take it earlier. They're allowed 2 days in there. They go in there, and on the last day when Fat Boo or Super Boo or whoever comes up to take on his opponent, Gotenks could come out of the ROSAT all badass and 2 years older and get ready for an epic fight.

The point I'm making is, if Gotenks needed the ROSAT it should've been mentioned.
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Goku was very specific that the Room of Spirit and Time be reserved for a real emergency. He assured Piccolo that Fusion would be enough on its own.

If that isn't enough evidence, and people are still claiming Piccolo was going to send the boys in there, then what's the cutoff point? Obviously by their logic, Gotenks was far too weak to fight Fat Boo if he was being sent into the Deus Ex Machina incarnate. Piccolo freaked out and damn near shoved the boys into the room himself when Evil Boo showed up, stating very plainly that Gotenks stood absolutely no chance in hell of winning, implying a gargantuan gap between the two. Going by that, the gap between Fat Boo and Gotenks apparently didn't warrant a concerned reaction from Piccolo, so it must be a lot smaller by logical deduction.
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Will people stop talking about a non-existing gap between fat and evil buu...its never stated. If there was a gap it would have been noted; No one talked about a massive power increase, or even a power increase specifically. And since when in the manga, has any fighter gotten massively stronger and no one makes a note of it??

If there really was a massive increase, and it's hidden, unknown to us, one that would force piccolo to send them into the room. then why can only he sense it, and not anyone else. Its not like he fought buu and could tell from fighting him.

Even goku thought it was still possible for the fusion to stop evil buu. Remember, when buu went missing, he felt if hes dead then it must have been by gotenks. Which either tells he cant sense buus power Or there isnt much difference between fat and evil buu power. It also confirms him taking a risk with fusion and really doesnt know how strong they will really be




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"I am the bone of my sword."

I'm sorry but what are you talking about? Firstly, non existing gap between fat and Evil Boo?

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Chapter: 488 (DBZ 294), P5.5-6
Trunks: “Huh!? That’s Majin Boo!?”
Goten: “He-he really has changed…”
Piccolo: “It’s not just his appearance…Everything about him is definitely greater than before…”


That's pretty much a huge gap, power increase, everything. That's the increase for you. The fact that Piccolo doesn't even want Gotenks to try to fight Super Boo is the gap increase.

Goku didn't think Gotenks could stop Super Boo. Where is this stated? When does Goku state at any point that because he can't feel Super Boo, he might be dead. What I believe was said by Goku was that he hasn't felt both Boo or the kid's ki in a while and hten realizes that they're most likely in the ROSAT.

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I'm sorry but what are you talking about? Firstly, non existing gap between fat and Evil Boo?

I'm saying their isnt a gap..

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Chapter: 488 (DBZ 294), P5.5-6
Trunks: “Huh!? That’s Majin Boo!?”
Goten: “He-he really has changed…”
Piccolo: “It’s not just his appearance…Everything about him is definitely greater than before…”


That's pretty much a huge gap, power increase, everything. That's the increase for you. The fact that Piccolo doesn't even want Gotenks to try to fight Super Boo is the gap increase.

That statement is very vague, and says nothing about a ''huge'' gap... or he would have said something along the line of ''much greater'. It could also mean he just got a slight increase in power, better more flexible body, faster, smarter, eviler. etc. A very vague statement indeed.




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Goku didn't think Gotenks could stop Super Boo. Where is this stated? When does Goku state at any point that because he can't feel Super Boo, he might be dead. What I believe was said by Goku was that he hasn't felt both Boo or the kid's ki in a while and hten realizes that they're most likely in the ROSAT
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That same scene. Kaioshin questions whether buu is dead, goku responds with ''i dont know...i cant sense the boys fused ki either'' this imply s goku believes gotenks should be the one to beat him. But thats ofcourse impossible.
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''Everything about him is definitely greater than before...''

Are you expecting Toriyama to spoon-feed the reader? Do you want Piccolo to list off every feature of Boo that's improved. He said that everything had gotten greater; that includes power. Also, take a look at how Boo powers up. Every time we saw Fat Boo power up, he was angry at something or made a huge scene. He tried that when Mr. Satan got shot but hit some sort of barrier, which resulted in the expulsion of Pure Evil Boo. That barrier was the result of Dai Kaioshin's 'heart' limiting Boo and his power.
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The fact that Piccolo disqualified appearance from the onset is enough to dispel this nonsense about power not being included in "everything." This is DBZ, not American Idol.
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Dec 10 2014, 01:43 AM
''Everything about him is definitely greater than before...''

Are you expecting Toriyama to spoon-feed the reader? Do you want Piccolo to list off every feature of Boo that's improved. He said that everything had gotten greater; that includes power. Also, take a look at how Boo powers up. Every time we saw Fat Boo power up, he was angry at something or made a huge scene. He tried that when Mr. Satan got shot but hit some sort of barrier, which resulted in the expulsion of Pure Evil Boo. That barrier was the result of Dai Kaioshin's 'heart' limiting Boo and his power.


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Dec 10 2014, 02:10 AM
The fact that Piccolo disqualified appearance from the onset is enough to dispel this nonsense about power not being included in "everything." This is DBZ, not American Idol.


Hmm some comprehension problem here.

Here my post again:

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That statement is very vague, and says nothing about a ''huge'' gap... or else he'd say something along the line of ''much greater'. It could also mean he just got a slight increase in power, better more flexible body, faster, smarter, eviler. etc. A very vague statement indeed.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

"Everything is greater" Add in Piccolo crapping himself and hoping for a miracle for Gotenks to win kind of indicates a "huge" gap. Whatever that gap might be is anyones guess but its pretty much stated that there's a gap and the reactions given is that it is a "huge" gap.
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