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Why Goku didn't turn into Ssjin3 inside Boo's body
Topic Started: Dec 6 2014, 03:57 PM (5,700 Views)
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Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P4.2-4, P6.3-6
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are attacked by evil Boo
Goku: “Alrii—iight! Come at me if you’re gonna. I’ll open up a huge hole inside your body! *Boo smiles* Wh-what are you smiling about?...Do you think I can’t open one?”
Boo: “It’s no use.”
Goku: “Don’t underestimate me.”
*Goku blasts, not much happens*
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “…It di-didn’t have any effect…”
Boo: “It stung a little here *points at head*, that’s all. You guys are now far, far smaller than fleas.”
Goku: “…So we’ve got no choice but to defeat you and then search for an exit somewhere.”
Boo: “No, you can’t defeat me. Not the way you guys are now…You’re gonna die, not me…”

Still think they can beat him?
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I really don't see the problem here, even in the Anime it's pretty clear Kakarrot wants nothing to do with Super Boo, he just wants to get the heck out of there.
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Dec 8 2014, 05:23 PM
Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P4.2-4, P6.3-6
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are attacked by evil Boo
Goku: “Alrii—iight! Come at me if you’re gonna. I’ll open up a huge hole inside your body! *Boo smiles* Wh-what are you smiling about?...Do you think I can’t open one?”
Boo: “It’s no use.”
Goku: “Don’t underestimate me.”
*Goku blasts, not much happens*
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “…It di-didn’t have any effect…”
Boo: “It stung a little here *points at head*, that’s all. You guys are now far, far smaller than fleas.”
Goku: “…So we’ve got no choice but to defeat you and then search for an exit somewhere.”
Boo: “No, you can’t defeat me. Not the way you guys are now…You’re gonna die, not me…”

Still think they can beat him?
Who said they could? Are you referring to Nono and Tish?
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You, Goku still have confidence enough to say it.
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Dec 8 2014, 07:44 PM
You, Goku still have confidence enough to say it.
I never said Goku could beat Evil Boo. It's not supported by anything except post-Boo material that he would be able to.
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Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P4.2-4, P6.3-6
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are attacked by evil Boo
Goku: “Alrii—iight! Come at me if you’re gonna. I’ll open up a huge hole inside your body! *Boo smiles* Wh-what are you smiling about?...Do you think I can’t open one?” [Goku threatens Buu]
Boo: “It’s no use.”
Goku: “Don’t underestimate me.” Super Saiyan 3, nothing else makes sense
*Goku blasts, not much happens*
Goku: “…” Expected something to happen, but it didn't. This discredits the theory Goku is trying to stall Boo
Vegeta: “…It di-didn’t have any effect…” This only adds to the former
Boo: “It stung a little here *points at head*, that’s all. You guys are now far, far smaller than fleas.” Boo confirms that because they're smaller then fleas they were unable to hurt him. If they weren't it might be a different story. The same way Gotenks SSjin Post could hurt Boo
Goku: “…So we’ve got no choice but to defeat you and then search for an exit somewhere.” Goku blatantly insists they will defeat him. He says 'we've'. Which can also imply he won't use anything above SSjin2 with Vegeta there. The previous comment suggests he can go further, but he doesn't really want too
Boo: “No, you can’t defeat me. Not the way you guys are now…You’re gonna die, not me…” Not the way you guys are NOW. This adds to the flea theory

If Super Buu was 8-1,000x stronger then Goku SSjin3, he could fart and Goku & Vegeta would die. He could stand there and tank everything.

Even these implications suggest this isn't so.
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Dec 8 2014, 09:05 PM
Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P4.2-4, P6.3-6
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are attacked by evil Boo
Goku: “Alrii—iight! Come at me if you’re gonna. I’ll open up a huge hole inside your body! *Boo smiles* Wh-what are you smiling about?...Do you think I can’t open one?” [Goku threatens Buu]
Boo: “It’s no use.”
Goku: “Don’t underestimate me.” Super Saiyan 3, nothing else makes sense
*Goku blasts, not much happens*
Goku: “…” Expected something to happen, but it didn't. This discredits the theory Goku is trying to stall Boo
Vegeta: “…It di-didn’t have any effect…” This only adds to the former
Boo: “It stung a little here *points at head*, that’s all. You guys are now far, far smaller than fleas.” Boo confirms that because they're smaller then fleas they were unable to hurt him. If they weren't it might be a different story. The same way Gotenks SSjin Post could hurt Boo
Goku: “…So we’ve got no choice but to defeat you and then search for an exit somewhere.” Goku blatantly insists they will defeat him. He says 'we've'. Which can also imply he won't use anything above SSjin2 with Vegeta there. The previous comment suggests he can go further, but he doesn't really want too
Boo: “No, you can’t defeat me. Not the way you guys are now…You’re gonna die, not me…” Not the way you guys are NOW. This adds to the flea theory

If Super Buu was 8-1,000x stronger then Goku SSjin3, he could fart and Goku & Vegeta would die. He could stand there and tank everything.

Even these implications suggest this isn't so.
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You're the only way I know that uses Goku was a flea argument.


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Goku couldn't beat Buu hence why he shat himself when Vegeta suggested they blast their way out.
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Dec 8 2014, 04:41 AM
I was kind of referring to the other post but even if you took out those lines with Goku. What about Gotenks? You already have a guy who in SSJ can defeat Fat Boo, someone who was rivaling SSJ3 Goku. Give Goku the overall advantage, Heck you know what, give him a 2x advantage just to make a point.

When you've got SSJ3 Gotenks~Super Boo>SSJ2 Gotenks>SSJ Gotenks (post)>SSJ Gotenks (Pre)~Fat Boo.

I personally have SSJ Gotenks Pre well above Fat Boo and for sake of argument I won't even get into the Base Gotenks debate for now. It's really hard to get SSJ3 Goku above Super Boo regardless of what your amplification is.
There are 2 things wrong with this post. 2 indeterminable and illogical statements mounted with conjecture.

1/ Gotenks ssj can defeat buu? where in gods name is this shown!? or even confirmed? there was only a prediction made. A prediction that was stated to be risky too. goku was a simply making a guess on how strong they would become. He only knows they should become much stronger than they were separately. But not exactly how much. Also keep in mind additional training may have been included in gokus estimation; Goku told piccolo they have 2 days before their fight with buu and a 30min later before leaving, told piccolo to make sure they master fusion by the next day. which would leave them with a day left for training if needed.

2/Fat buu rivaling ssj3 goku?? And how did you determine this? Can't be from observing their fight, as goku was clearly shown non-nonchalantly taking hits; he was doing nothing more than buying time and toying with buu. With just that one scene where he takes a direct hit to the face we can assume the gap between goku and buu to be either like...vegeta vs 19, vegeta vs 18, vegeta vs semi perfect cell..

Edited by Nanho, Dec 9 2014, 05:02 PM.
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Goku made a statement, he stated that the fusion of Goten and Trunks could defeat Fat Boo. It was a gamble he said but after seeing the kids powers he decided to take that gamble because he believed it would pay off. This is not contradicted at all. We don't need to have a feat for every statement given.

Yes Fat Boo was rivaling SSj3 Goku. Fatty was playing around as well through the entire fight and Goku's attacks were stated to have not done much damage either.
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Dec 9 2014, 05:10 PM
Goku made a statement, he stated that the fusion of Goten and Trunks could defeat Fat Boo. It was a gamble he said but after seeing the kids powers he decided to take that gamble because he believed it would pay off. This is not contradicted at all. We don't need to have a feat for every statement given.

Yes Fat Boo was rivaling SSj3 Goku. Fatty was playing around as well through the entire fight and Goku's attacks were stated to have not done much damage either.
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Goku made a statement, he stated that the fusion of Goten and Trunks could defeat Fat Boo. It was a gamble he said but after seeing the kids powers he decided to take that gamble because he believed it would pay off. This is not contradicted at all. We don't need to have a feat for every statement given.

Piccolo suggesting them to use the remaining day to train doesnt come across as a contradiction to you?
or the scene thats always being taking out of context here, where he tells krillin even if they master fusion they dont stand a chance againt buu. The mistake people make here is thinking hes only speaking of evil buu when really hes speaking in general. Also piccolos unmoved expressions from the moment they fused to then, would infer that as well.

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Yes Fat Boo was rivaling SSj3 Goku. Fatty was playing around as well through the entire fight and Goku's attacks were stated to have not done much damage either.
You know what i'l step away from this part of the debate, as im also unsure of the fat ones actual strengh.

But him not taking damage is obviously to his regen ability....
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>Goku says Gotenks won't lose to Fat Boo.
>Piccolo outright says that Base Gotenks doesn't stand a chance against Fat Boo.
>Piccolo doesn't say s*** about power when it comes to SSJ Gotenks, he only questions his speed.

Now tell me, if SSJ Gotenks was still weaker than Fat Boo, why didn't Piccolo say that? He had absolutely no problem saying it when it was Base Gotenks.
SSJ Gotenks (Pre) > Fat Boo

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"I am the bone of my sword."

Not really. Better be safe then sorry. If your allowed another day to train, why not take it? Also if they master fusion they still wouldn't be Boo? When does this come into play? He doesn't say it because of Fat Boo and by the time Super Boo comes, I would believe the kids have already mastered fusion. If you are talking about Super BOo and how Gotenks doesn't have a chance, I don't know what you mean by general speaking.

Piccolo had no problem with Gotenks fighting Fat Boo. When he saw SSJ Gotenks he complimented his poewr and merely asked to see his speed. If Gotenks was vastly weaker than Boo, Piccolo should've freaked out.
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None of the Gotenks argument's are proven.

There, I debunked the entire community.
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Piccolo never said he was strong enough.

Piccolo said prior to becoming Super Saiyans that they needed to train and train for they're fight. He's been around SSJins longer then the boys have probably experienced the form.

This is enough to suggest

Fat Boo > Gotenks SSjin Pre

Not the stupid argument of conjecture where you make up logic.

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