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Gohan's Potential Not Drawn Past the Limits
Topic Started: Dec 5 2014, 03:04 AM (1,802 Views)
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But there is no "God potential" is there? I think it's an assumption to say there is something different than normal potential.
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Goku literally states that he wouldn't have been able to reach that level by himself

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I think Gohan would've reached around Super Saiyan Gotenks' post-RoSaT level (but I voted Super Saiyan 2). I don't have a particular reason or anything to really substantiate that claim, but it's what I'm going with here. For me, that's already about a 100x difference.
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Dec 7 2014, 10:34 AM
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Dec 7 2014, 03:45 AM
Since we're talking about Battle of God's, if you're talking about Beers taking Gohan out so easily, let me make a reminder that Gohan was drunk, so that's hardly a valid argument. Also, if it was Gohan that killed Frieza, then Beers would be interested in Gohan not Kakarrot. That's also a weak argument to say Kakarrot's Potential is greater than Gohan. When Multiple arcs shows Gohan's Potential>Kakarrot's Potnetial.
Gohan being drunk didn't effect his performance and Goku's potential has been bugger since Gt it just bleed into canon material in BOG.

Thus could be Goku's god potential however.

Godku potential> Gohan potential> Goku potential.
Being drunk does effect someone's performance, that shouldn't be ignored just for this Movie.

Gohan has always had the superior Potential, in nearly every single arc we've seen Gohan show demonstrate that he's always had the highest Potnetial, ignoring Gohan being drunk just so people can say Gohan no longer has the highest Potential is completely ridiculous. When someone is drunk they are NOT at 100% and cannot function like they normally do, so of course Beers is going to have an easier time knocking down Gohan than Kakarrot and Vegeta, it only makes sense.
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Dec 7 2014, 06:41 PM
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Since we're talking about Battle of God's, if you're talking about Beers taking Gohan out so easily, let me make a reminder that Gohan was drunk, so that's hardly a valid argument. Also, if it was Gohan that killed Frieza, then Beers would be interested in Gohan not Kakarrot. That's also a weak argument to say Kakarrot's Potential is greater than Gohan. When Multiple arcs shows Gohan's Potential>Kakarrot's Potnetial.
Gohan being drunk didn't effect his performance and Goku's potential has been bugger since Gt it just bleed into canon material in BOG.

Thus could be Goku's god potential however.

Godku potential> Gohan potential> Goku potential.
Being drunk does effect someone's performance, that shouldn't be ignored just for this Movie.

Gohan has always had the superior Potential, in nearly every single arc we've seen Gohan show demonstrate that he's always had the highest Potnetial, ignoring Gohan being drunk just so people can say Gohan no longer has the highest Potential is completely ridiculous. When someone is drunk they are NOT at 100% and cannot function like they normally do, so of course Beers is going to have an easier time knocking down Gohan than Kakarrot and Vegeta, it only makes sense.
Gohan sobered up when Beerus started fighting nothing after, Beerus powers up has Gohan looking drunk to the point it was effecting him.
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Have you ever gotten drunk and started fighting? It's not a pretty sight, even if Gohan could move around, there's not going to be any real power behind those punches. But even if the drunk thing is ignored, Beers is only interested in Kakarrot because he defeated Frieza, if Gohan had defeated Frieza Beers would have been just as focused on Gohan as he was on his Father, so the argument about Gohan being inferior because Kakarrot got God power and he didn't is a pretty weak argument anyway, because Beers was in a league that would make Ultimate Boo crap himself and the only way Kakarrot could fight him was getting Super God Powers.

That was pretty much my Battle of Gods Kakarrot issue as a whole, I know most of it doesn't really relate to the Drunk thing, but I felt like getting it out there.
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Dec 9 2014, 05:19 AM
Have you ever gotten drunk and started fighting? It's not a pretty sight, even if Gohan could move around, there's not going to be any real power behind those punches. But even if the drunk thing is ignored, Beers is only interested in Kakarrot because he defeated Frieza, if Gohan had defeated Frieza Beers would have been just as focused on Gohan as he was on his Father, so the argument about Gohan being inferior because Kakarrot got God power and he didn't is a pretty weak argument anyway, because Beers was in a league that would make Ultimate Boo crap himself and the only way Kakarrot could fight him was getting Super God Powers.

That was pretty much my Battle of Gods Kakarrot issue as a whole, I know most of it doesn't really relate to the Drunk thing, but I felt like getting it out there.
I have never been drunk myself but I have seen alcoholics in my family and I can tell you there was a major difference between what Gohan was and a drunk person.

Gohan knew instantly when he hurt Videl and was worried for her, later when Beerus gets made he tells everyone to run and he powers up, also he changed his gi, then later he he is happy and carefully twirls and holds Videl when he finds out about Pan.

Gohan is the exact definition of sobering up.

Also Beerus is interested because AT and the writers decided to switch focus from Gohan to Goku. Goku has been sat as superior to Gohan for the last 20 years.

Beerus also calls out Vegeta and Goku as potential rivals and now in the 2015 movie it is Vegeta and Goku getting special training.

As long as DBZ continues were going to see more and more new evidence to show that Goku and Vegeta> Gohan.
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And that contradicts Everything from the Saiyan to the Boo arc.

I'll take those arcs over Two Movies.

This is why I don't trust AT on anything anymore, because he's straight up contradicting himself, so he really can't be taken seriously.
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Dec 12 2014, 06:14 AM
And that contradicts Everything from the Saiyan to the Boo arc.

I'll take those arcs over Two Movies.

This is why I don't trust AT on anything anymore, because he's straight up contradicting himself, so he really can't be taken seriously.
Future Media overwrites past media. As I said before as writers continue to write stories that get popular with fans they either stick to their guns or they change the media to what the majority wants.

More evidence to support something will lose out to less evidence when the less evidence is on going and more up to date unless you make breaks in fiction for personal canon.
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Dec 12 2014, 06:22 AM
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Dec 12 2014, 06:14 AM
And that contradicts Everything from the Saiyan to the Boo arc.

I'll take those arcs over Two Movies.

This is why I don't trust AT on anything anymore, because he's straight up contradicting himself, so he really can't be taken seriously.
Future Media overwrites past media. As I said before as writers continue to write stories that get popular with fans they either stick to their guns or they change the media to what the majority wants.

More evidence to support something will lose out to less evidence when the less evidence is on going and more up to date unless you make breaks in fiction for personal canon.
When does Future Media overwrite Past Media?

As for your second part, then AT better keep doing this for Many, many more Movies because as of right now the evidence of Gohan's Potnetial>Kakarrot and Vegeta's Potential is the superior evidence, and to pick up the slack AT should also make some series shorts to make up for lost time, if he doesn't then all the arcs that says Gohan having the superior Potnetial will have the dominant evidence. Also in the Boo arc Vegeta's Potential was brought out to it's limits and it couldn't even touch SS3 in any way, and Elder Kaioshin wasn't impressed with Kakarrot's Potential in the least, he was impressed with Gohan's... the Boo arc has solid evidence showing the Hybrids have Far Greater Potential than the Pure Blooded Saiyans.

I will however agree with one of your past comments about Kakarrot having God Potential, but other than that there's still a long list of evidence that says National Potential wise Gohan is still the superior one compared to Kakarrot and Vegeta.
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Dec 12 2014, 06:26 AM
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Dec 12 2014, 06:22 AM
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Dec 12 2014, 06:14 AM
And that contradicts Everything from the Saiyan to the Boo arc.

I'll take those arcs over Two Movies.

This is why I don't trust AT on anything anymore, because he's straight up contradicting himself, so he really can't be taken seriously.
Future Media overwrites past media. As I said before as writers continue to write stories that get popular with fans they either stick to their guns or they change the media to what the majority wants.

More evidence to support something will lose out to less evidence when the less evidence is on going and more up to date unless you make breaks in fiction for personal canon.
When does Future Media overwrite Past Media?

As for your second part, then AT better keep doing this for Many, many more Movies because as of right now the evidence of Gohan's Potnetial>Kakarrot and Vegeta's Potential is the superior evidence, and to pick up the slack AT should also make some series shorts to make up for lost time, if he doesn't then all the arcs that says Gohan having the superior Potnetial will have the dominant evidence. Also in the Boo arc Vegeta's Potential was brought out to it's limits and it couldn't even touch SS3 in any way, and Elder Kaioshin wasn't impressed with Kakarrot's Potential in the least, he was impressed with Gohan's... the Boo arc has solid evidence showing the Hybrids have Far Greater Potential than the Pure Blooded Saiyans.

I will however agree with one of your past comments about Kakarrot having God Potential, but other than that there's still a long list of evidence that says National Potential wise Gohan is still the superior one compared to Kakarrot and Vegeta.
I agree with you but newer media over writes older Media. AT has word of god over DBZ and he said the movies are like if he continued the manga. Had BOG and ROF come out closer to the Buu saga I'm sure AT would have wrote a way for Goku to get stronger than Gohan but the way he is righting it now he expects the fans to just assume Gohan's potential is that far off from Gokus.

To make everything fit I just assume that what he is trying to say is Goku's new God potential is bigger than Gohan's normal potential.
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This is why I don't trust AT on anything anymore, because he's straight up contradicting himself, so he really can't be taken seriously.
You think AT wants you to take his works seriously?
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Dec 12 2014, 09:56 AM
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Dec 12 2014, 06:26 AM
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Dec 12 2014, 06:22 AM
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Dec 12 2014, 06:14 AM
And that contradicts Everything from the Saiyan to the Boo arc.

I'll take those arcs over Two Movies.

This is why I don't trust AT on anything anymore, because he's straight up contradicting himself, so he really can't be taken seriously.
Future Media overwrites past media. As I said before as writers continue to write stories that get popular with fans they either stick to their guns or they change the media to what the majority wants.

More evidence to support something will lose out to less evidence when the less evidence is on going and more up to date unless you make breaks in fiction for personal canon.
When does Future Media overwrite Past Media?

As for your second part, then AT better keep doing this for Many, many more Movies because as of right now the evidence of Gohan's Potnetial>Kakarrot and Vegeta's Potential is the superior evidence, and to pick up the slack AT should also make some series shorts to make up for lost time, if he doesn't then all the arcs that says Gohan having the superior Potnetial will have the dominant evidence. Also in the Boo arc Vegeta's Potential was brought out to it's limits and it couldn't even touch SS3 in any way, and Elder Kaioshin wasn't impressed with Kakarrot's Potential in the least, he was impressed with Gohan's... the Boo arc has solid evidence showing the Hybrids have Far Greater Potential than the Pure Blooded Saiyans.

I will however agree with one of your past comments about Kakarrot having God Potential, but other than that there's still a long list of evidence that says National Potential wise Gohan is still the superior one compared to Kakarrot and Vegeta.
I agree with you but newer media over writes older Media. AT has word of god over DBZ and he said the movies are like if he continued the manga. Had BOG and ROF come out closer to the Buu saga I'm sure AT would have wrote a way for Goku to get stronger than Gohan but the way he is righting it now he expects the fans to just assume Gohan's potential is that far off from Gokus.

To make everything fit I just assume that what he is trying to say is Goku's new God potential is bigger than Gohan's normal potential.
I can buy the God thing, but when it comes to Natural Potential, Gohan is far, far ahead of the race, along with Goten and Trunks.

Perhaps the God Powers is kind of like Gohan's Ultimate Power up, that it takes the users Potential far beyond their limits. It fits and doesn't contradict anything. I would rather follow something that doesn't contradict something, especially when there's too much evidence going against what the other is.
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