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Kakashi cut a lightning bolt, so he's faster than everyone here by a good margin already. Combine that with Sharingan and no one on that list is gonna touch him. The same as in the the war against the 7 mist ninjas, everyone else such as Naruto with his clones and Sai with his ink demons will provide for distraction while Kakashi goes in for the stealth kills. Sakura will be useless as usual, unless we take out PIS she can at least be a half decent cheerleader.
Nice try using something that isn't proven. I can use a better feat, that was proven. Goku dodged light, so he's faster than anyone here. Stealth kills won't matter if you're slower and too weak to hurt your enemies.
He didn't dodge light. Tenshinhan just took a little while to get the Taiyoken up and running and Goku saw what he was doing before the attack actually resolved.
We don't know if Tenshinhan took a little while or not since he activated it almost immediately. We also have no idea how Kakashi cut lightning, or if that statement is even legit. - wolffanghameha
- Dec 1 2014, 02:21 AM
I read this a long time ago, when you just posted it. I agree with it. I just brought it because you brought Kakashi's statement of cutting lightning. Team Kame Sennin would still take this one easily due to massive advantages in all areas.
Well, he had enough time to pretty much make a little speech while he was gathering his ki. You see Goku react to it before the attack is launched, so he's pre-emptively responding to it. He doesn't have to be light-speed to do what he did when he knows what's happening before it even happens. Regarding Kakashi; unless he turned into a liar, I think it's pretty fair to say that he's telling the truth. Given his status as Jonin, I'm sure Gai's seen the attack at least a few times, and he's not the type of person who'd let his eternal rival get away with something as 'unyouthful' as lying. There's a possibility that he didn't cut natural lightning, but other sources of lightning. Maybe the way he cut it doesn't require the speed to do it. Even Black Zetsu commented that no one in Naruto could ever react to lightning or do anything about it.
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Dec 1 2014, 02:36 PM
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Kakashi cut a lightning bolt, so he's faster than everyone here by a good margin already. Combine that with Sharingan and no one on that list is gonna touch him. The same as in the the war against the 7 mist ninjas, everyone else such as Naruto with his clones and Sai with his ink demons will provide for distraction while Kakashi goes in for the stealth kills. Sakura will be useless as usual, unless we take out PIS she can at least be a half decent cheerleader.
Nice try using something that isn't proven. I can use a better feat, that was proven. Goku dodged light, so he's faster than anyone here. Stealth kills won't matter if you're slower and too weak to hurt your enemies.
He didn't dodge light. Tenshinhan just took a little while to get the Taiyoken up and running and Goku saw what he was doing before the attack actually resolved.
We don't know if Tenshinhan took a little while or not since he activated it almost immediately. We also have no idea how Kakashi cut lightning, or if that statement is even legit. - wolffanghameha
- Dec 1 2014, 02:21 AM
I read this a long time ago, when you just posted it. I agree with it. I just brought it because you brought Kakashi's statement of cutting lightning. Team Kame Sennin would still take this one easily due to massive advantages in all areas.
Well, he had enough time to pretty much make a little speech while he was gathering his ki. You see Goku react to it before the attack is launched, so he's pre-emptively responding to it. He doesn't have to be light-speed to do what he did when he knows what's happening before it even happens. Regarding Kakashi; unless he turned into a liar, I think it's pretty fair to say that he's telling the truth. Given his status as Jonin, I'm sure Gai's seen the attack at least a few times, and he's not the type of person who'd let his eternal rival get away with something as 'unyouthful' as lying.
There's a possibility that he didn't cut natural lightning, but other sources of lightning. Maybe the way he cut it doesn't require the speed to do it. Even Black Zetsu commented that no one in Naruto could ever react to lightning or do anything about it. He most likely would've said if it was an enemy's justsu. It could've been an enemy jutsu, but there's no reason to assume that it was, so the best thing to do is go with the most basic explanation of it being actual lightning. Unless he was standing there with his Raikiri held in the air, he would've had to react to it in some capacity.
Black Zetsu said that when Itachi pulled up his Susano'o against Kirin, right?
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Dec 1 2014, 03:07 PM
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Kakashi cut a lightning bolt, so he's faster than everyone here by a good margin already. Combine that with Sharingan and no one on that list is gonna touch him. The same as in the the war against the 7 mist ninjas, everyone else such as Naruto with his clones and Sai with his ink demons will provide for distraction while Kakashi goes in for the stealth kills. Sakura will be useless as usual, unless we take out PIS she can at least be a half decent cheerleader.
Nice try using something that isn't proven. I can use a better feat, that was proven. Goku dodged light, so he's faster than anyone here. Stealth kills won't matter if you're slower and too weak to hurt your enemies.
He didn't dodge light. Tenshinhan just took a little while to get the Taiyoken up and running and Goku saw what he was doing before the attack actually resolved.
We don't know if Tenshinhan took a little while or not since he activated it almost immediately. We also have no idea how Kakashi cut lightning, or if that statement is even legit. - wolffanghameha
- Dec 1 2014, 02:21 AM
I read this a long time ago, when you just posted it. I agree with it. I just brought it because you brought Kakashi's statement of cutting lightning. Team Kame Sennin would still take this one easily due to massive advantages in all areas.
Well, he had enough time to pretty much make a little speech while he was gathering his ki. You see Goku react to it before the attack is launched, so he's pre-emptively responding to it. He doesn't have to be light-speed to do what he did when he knows what's happening before it even happens. Regarding Kakashi; unless he turned into a liar, I think it's pretty fair to say that he's telling the truth. Given his status as Jonin, I'm sure Gai's seen the attack at least a few times, and he's not the type of person who'd let his eternal rival get away with something as 'unyouthful' as lying.
There's a possibility that he didn't cut natural lightning, but other sources of lightning. Maybe the way he cut it doesn't require the speed to do it. Even Black Zetsu commented that no one in Naruto could ever react to lightning or do anything about it.
He most likely would've said if it was an enemy's justsu. It could've been an enemy jutsu, but there's no reason to assume that it was, so the best thing to do is go with the most basic explanation of it being actual lightning. Unless he was standing there with his Raikiri held in the air, he would've had to react to it in some capacity. Black Zetsu said that when Itachi pulled up his Susano'o against Kirin, right? This statement has no credibility after Zetsu's statement.
Just before he did.
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Kakashi cut a lightning bolt, so he's faster than everyone here by a good margin already. Combine that with Sharingan and no one on that list is gonna touch him. The same as in the the war against the 7 mist ninjas, everyone else such as Naruto with his clones and Sai with his ink demons will provide for distraction while Kakashi goes in for the stealth kills. Sakura will be useless as usual, unless we take out PIS she can at least be a half decent cheerleader.
Nice try using something that isn't proven. I can use a better feat, that was proven. Goku dodged light, so he's faster than anyone here. Stealth kills won't matter if you're slower and too weak to hurt your enemies.
He didn't dodge light. Tenshinhan just took a little while to get the Taiyoken up and running and Goku saw what he was doing before the attack actually resolved.
We don't know if Tenshinhan took a little while or not since he activated it almost immediately. We also have no idea how Kakashi cut lightning, or if that statement is even legit. - wolffanghameha
- Dec 1 2014, 02:21 AM
I read this a long time ago, when you just posted it. I agree with it. I just brought it because you brought Kakashi's statement of cutting lightning. Team Kame Sennin would still take this one easily due to massive advantages in all areas.
Well, he had enough time to pretty much make a little speech while he was gathering his ki. You see Goku react to it before the attack is launched, so he's pre-emptively responding to it. He doesn't have to be light-speed to do what he did when he knows what's happening before it even happens. Regarding Kakashi; unless he turned into a liar, I think it's pretty fair to say that he's telling the truth. Given his status as Jonin, I'm sure Gai's seen the attack at least a few times, and he's not the type of person who'd let his eternal rival get away with something as 'unyouthful' as lying.
There's a possibility that he didn't cut natural lightning, but other sources of lightning. Maybe the way he cut it doesn't require the speed to do it. Even Black Zetsu commented that no one in Naruto could ever react to lightning or do anything about it.
He most likely would've said if it was an enemy's justsu. It could've been an enemy jutsu, but there's no reason to assume that it was, so the best thing to do is go with the most basic explanation of it being actual lightning. Unless he was standing there with his Raikiri held in the air, he would've had to react to it in some capacity. Black Zetsu said that when Itachi pulled up his Susano'o against Kirin, right?
This statement has no credibility after Zetsu's statement. Just before he did. Didn't Itachi proceed to react to Kirin by pulling up the Susano'o, therefore nullifying Black Zetsu's statement?
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Kakashi cut a lightning bolt, so he's faster than everyone here by a good margin already. Combine that with Sharingan and no one on that list is gonna touch him. The same as in the the war against the 7 mist ninjas, everyone else such as Naruto with his clones and Sai with his ink demons will provide for distraction while Kakashi goes in for the stealth kills. Sakura will be useless as usual, unless we take out PIS she can at least be a half decent cheerleader.
Nice try using something that isn't proven. I can use a better feat, that was proven. Goku dodged light, so he's faster than anyone here. Stealth kills won't matter if you're slower and too weak to hurt your enemies.
He didn't dodge light. Tenshinhan just took a little while to get the Taiyoken up and running and Goku saw what he was doing before the attack actually resolved.
We don't know if Tenshinhan took a little while or not since he activated it almost immediately. We also have no idea how Kakashi cut lightning, or if that statement is even legit. - wolffanghameha
- Dec 1 2014, 02:21 AM
I read this a long time ago, when you just posted it. I agree with it. I just brought it because you brought Kakashi's statement of cutting lightning. Team Kame Sennin would still take this one easily due to massive advantages in all areas.
Well, he had enough time to pretty much make a little speech while he was gathering his ki. You see Goku react to it before the attack is launched, so he's pre-emptively responding to it. He doesn't have to be light-speed to do what he did when he knows what's happening before it even happens. Regarding Kakashi; unless he turned into a liar, I think it's pretty fair to say that he's telling the truth. Given his status as Jonin, I'm sure Gai's seen the attack at least a few times, and he's not the type of person who'd let his eternal rival get away with something as 'unyouthful' as lying.
There's a possibility that he didn't cut natural lightning, but other sources of lightning. Maybe the way he cut it doesn't require the speed to do it. Even Black Zetsu commented that no one in Naruto could ever react to lightning or do anything about it.
He most likely would've said if it was an enemy's justsu. It could've been an enemy jutsu, but there's no reason to assume that it was, so the best thing to do is go with the most basic explanation of it being actual lightning. Unless he was standing there with his Raikiri held in the air, he would've had to react to it in some capacity. Black Zetsu said that when Itachi pulled up his Susano'o against Kirin, right?
This statement has no credibility after Zetsu's statement. Just before he did.
Didn't Itachi proceed to react to Kirin by pulling up the Susano'o, therefore nullifying Black Zetsu's statement? Itachi most likely had some time before Sasuke launched Kirin. Black Zetsu won't go stupidly saying nonsense if Itachi could react to it.
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Or Black Zetsu was just wrong.
There's no reason to suggest that Goku dodged light if he could literally dodge light why did he get the sunglasses? He should have just been able to avoid the light... What he did was grab the glasses while the attack was on with his eyes closed.
Seriously he didn't dodge light...
Unless 12 year old Goku > 2nd form Frieza in speed. That's what you're saying, see how silly it is?
If this were the case there is no possible way that Frieza wouldn't dodge it he could probably go home and have a bath before the light hit him with how scaled up his speed should be, by that logic. "He wasn't expecting it" doesn't cover it. Unless Krillin's surge of light was MMMMFTL which is nothing less than hilarious.
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Or Black Zetsu was just wrong.
There's no reason to suggest that Goku dodged light if he could literally dodge light why did he get the sunglasses? He should have just been able to avoid the light... What he did was grab the glasses while the attack was on with his eyes closed.
Seriously he didn't dodge light...
Unless 12 year old Goku > 2nd form Frieza in speed. That's what you're saying, see how silly it is?
If this were the case there is no possible way that Frieza wouldn't dodge it he could probably go home and have a bath before the light hit him with how scaled up his speed should be, by that logic. "He wasn't expecting it" doesn't cover it. Unless Krillin's surge of light was MMMMFTL which is nothing less than hilarious. How? He's one of the oldest beings in the Naruto verse. You can't say he's just wrong.
I know it's false. I'm just using this to argue against Kakashi being lightning speed.
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Zetsu isn't the combat type. I wouldn't trust him in combat related situations. He's been wrong and stupid multiple times.
Plus, there's a difference between dodging and reaction speed. While Roshi can't move out of the way and outright dodge bullets, he can catch them with his hand. That's called reaction speed. Kakashi and Itachi the same way can react to lightning even if they can't outright dodge it with their entire body. Kakashi is another league from Itachi though, actually cutting a lightning bolt not just reacting to it.
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Zetsu also said that Itachi with Yata and Totsuka is invincible just saying lol
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He also believed that Ameterasu was a guaranteed hit it in the same scene. Following that we have it being blocked, dodged and absorbed.
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And blown off although to be fair were he alive Nagato probably would have died from the injuries.
If Kakashi cut a Lightning Style jutsu the story would probably be "Kakashi cut Character X's Lightning Blast" it'd have to be some legendary ninja for it to be a stand out feat so that alone suggests it was actual lightning, can't tell either way but more suggests he genuinely did than not.
Another thing, if Goku could dodge light how the heck did he fail to dodge Roshi's lightning technique when he was 10x stronger as an Oozaru?
Also it's easily possible that Solar Flare powers up instead of just being an instant burst, like a dimmer switch on a lightbulb starting at the lowest setting then going to the highest, the speed of the light stays the same but the intensity of it becomes far greater as well as the amount of it being fired.
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Saqer already agrees with you on that. He was just angry that Kakashi's lightning bolt feat isn't being written off. Even going against the "Zetsu was speak in tiers" interpretation I use, we still have reaction speed vs dodging speed. Roshi isn't fast as a bullet but his hands are even faster than machine gun fire. The same concept applies to Kakashi.
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