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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 26 2014, 05:32 PM Post #1 |
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Beginning of shippuden naruto vs 21st budokai goku |
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| + Emmeth | Dec 2 2014, 02:14 AM Post #31 |
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It's not consistent. I actually agree with King Kakarot on this. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Dec 2 2014, 02:36 AM Post #32 |
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This isn't even relevant. Roshi pumped up and took a little while charging the Kamehameha he launched at the moon, right? It dwarves the other attacks that he used. This Naruto can create hundreds of clones who can all charge up Big Rasengans. With all the clones that Naruto would bombard him with, Goku would eventually get tired and leave himself open for Naruto to deal the finishing blow. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 2 2014, 02:55 AM Post #33 |
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Those clones would be really weak compared to goku though since he distributes his power to all of them. In dbz, if A is weaker than B, A can't even scratch B. It doesn't matter how many of A there are. Although idk how much extra energy naruto can give himself at this early in the series. I doubt he can hundreds of clones that are close in strength to goku Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Dec 2 2014, 03:16 PM.
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| + Emmeth | Dec 2 2014, 01:56 PM Post #34 |
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Proven in the fight between Goku and Tenshinhan in the 23rd Budokai. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Dec 2 2014, 05:14 PM Post #35 |
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The strength of the clones isn't really an issue. They have two purposes; to gradually wear Goku down and to let Naruto watch Goku's moves. Naruto is an excellent strategist, so once he's got Goku's style down, it would just be a matter of distracting him with clones while charging a Big Rasengan. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 2 2014, 05:44 PM Post #36 |
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Dbz characters don't "wear out" when they're fighting many opponents that are much weaker than them. Not once in the manga has quantity over quality been shown. Goku could definitely go through an army of really weak naruto's |
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| * Yu Narukami | Dec 2 2014, 05:56 PM Post #37 |
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Fair enough. The clones still fulfil their second and most important role, though. He'll come up with a strategy while fighting with his clones and then carry out the plan he comes up with. His reserves are absolutely insane and Goku has no way of telling whether any Naruto he encounters is a clone or not. |
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| Mihawk | Dec 2 2014, 06:00 PM Post #38 |
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His reserves aren't insane until the war though. I don't see Naruto doing anything special here. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 2 2014, 06:02 PM Post #39 |
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And what would that strategy be? You can't just say he will come up with a plan. It's not like he has any hax abilities to use against goku while his clones are their asses kicked |
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| + Steve | Dec 2 2014, 06:16 PM Post #40 |
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The "power" that is distributed among clones is chakra, not strength or speed. Unlike the clones in DB it doesn't half the power of each one when used. Evidence for that...well the fact that Naruto makes thousands of clones and they don't get blown away in the wind with the strength of Naruto divided a thousand fold they'd be utterly useless. The only thing influenced by how much chakra the clones have is how much chakra they have to use and their durability.What would happen in this fight is basically Gaara vs Naruto, no way in hell would Naruto 1 v 1 Gaara who's transforming, one swipe and he'd be finished. But hundreds/thousands of Naruto's attacking at once would whittle him down, this isn't like fighting the Red Ribbon Army who were worthless anyway PL 100+ Goku taking on thousands of PL 2-6's is no impressive feat. Quality > quantity has never been shown in DBZ...because it's never been shown, not that it can't happen. Goku at full power vs the Cell Jr's would probably still have lost because there were so many and they were say half his strength. And if he didn't lost he'd be exhausted. Even with 4 Cell's at a quarter strength he still had something of a struggle against them, though don't quote me on that not entirely sure if that's canon, if it is then that adds to it. It'd be impossible for any of them to have an extended fight with multiple opponents who can damage them, if it's people they're thousands of times stronger than, sure but not people who can do something to them or are fast enough to perceive them on top of that. Another bonus Naruto has is that unlike the Cell Jr's vs Goku example all the Naruto's would work as a team plus Naruto can do all sorts of unconventional moves, like throwing clones at Goku or using them to smack Goku with while they're holding Rasengan's. You can't say it wouldn't work because it's never worked in DB, it's never been attempted at all. Edited by Steve, Dec 2 2014, 06:17 PM.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 2 2014, 06:39 PM Post #41 |
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what? There's a ton of quality>quantity scenarios in dbz Yeah I that's a fair point you made about how naruto's clones work. But since it's still chakra that is being divided and not strength or speed, the rasengans they make, assuming there are hundreds of them, aren't going to scratch goku. And how hard does naruto punch? Goku's easily bullet proof by the 21st budokai. So idk if naruto's clones can even hurt goku much can they? |
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| + Emmeth | Dec 2 2014, 06:42 PM Post #42 |
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Yep. Goku vs Ginyu Force is a prominent example. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Dec 2 2014, 06:46 PM Post #43 |
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Just look at his fights with Zabuza, Neji and Kakuzu, as well as his plan against Pein. Whenever he's outmatched, he always comes up with a good strategy, usually involving his clones and diversions. Goku may be stronger, but he won't be able to tell which Naruto is real and getting hit in the face with a Big Rasengan is going to hurt. |
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| + Steve | Dec 2 2014, 07:09 PM Post #44 |
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Hardly, none that qualify. Nobody ever has to fight hundreds of opponents that can hurt them the Ginyu force were pathetic compared to Goku that was like a grown man fighting a few babies, this is like a soldier fighting 1000 ten year olds. Even though the soldier is stronger, smarter and faster they'll whittle him down eventually. Not really having less chakra doesn't make attacks weaker it means they can use less, each Rasengan would be the same strength as normal they all require the same they only get stronger and use more chakra as they get bigger. Naruto doesn't punch all that hard but he doesn't have to here as clones can use Rasengan's in place of fists which should easily drill through Goku with repeated hits and then there's Giant Rasengan which explodes, Goku couldn't take being hit by loads of them. Naruto's reserves have always been insane and as I said before I'm not even taking Kyuubi chakra in to account so he gets a massive boost from that, restricted to Jinchuuriki state that is even though Four Tailed Naruto isn't any more powerful from when Shippuden starts it's not the power he had at the beginning of it. With hundreds of clones active Naruto creating Rasengan's and pumping even more chakra in to them trains for days to perfect the Rasenshuriken, his reserves are a non issue. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 2 2014, 07:18 PM Post #45 |
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Actually there's goku vs tien, goku vs piccolo, goku vs cell, gohan vs cell jr's, and more. But there are none where the person had to fight dozens of enemies. I will give you that |
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with the strength of Naruto divided a thousand fold they'd be utterly useless. The only thing influenced by how much chakra the clones have is how much chakra they have to use and their durability.

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