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Marvel characters who can defeat buu saga Goku?
Topic Started: Nov 24 2014, 08:27 PM (1,576 Views)
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What Marvel characters can defeat Goku in the Buu saga?

I think that most of the cosmic beings are too much for him. Although I think he can take on a celestial with some degree of trouble. However I think that there is a point around this sort of level where his physical power becomes useless.


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He has soloed the entire X-men team, lifted the Baxter building in the air, flew through a star, heat vision as hot as the sun, defeated Black Bolt in one punch and over powered whoever Nova Prime is. He also once smashed a planet to pieces. It didn't look like a big one though. More like a big asteroid than a planet to be honest.


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Nov 25 2014, 04:05 PM
@steve two things:

well actually shouldn't king Kai's planet be extremely dense to be that small and still have 10x the gravity of earth?

Secondly, I don't understand this
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Just because whatever Sentry is's attack only destroyed a town doesn't mean it A) Does't have varying levels of power B) Isn't massively condensed so it doesn't destroy everything C) Have some other properties to it
You can't slap DB logic on it and say it's weak just because it doesn't blow up a big area.

You contradicted yourself. You said that it's possible sentry's blast was massively condensed so or doesn't destroy anything. Then you said you can't slap db logic on it. You have it the other way around. That right there is db logic. Being able to condense blasts
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You contradicted yourself. You said that it's possible sentry's blast was massively condensed so or doesn't destroy anything. Then you said you can't slap db logic on it. You have it the other way around. That right there is db logic. Being able to condense blasts


Not really a contradiction as condesning in DB is a fan theory nobody can really prove comics are all about ridiculous stuff and explain it and DB logic would dictate that it's a weak blast because of the small area of destruction, even though it might be able to destroy anything.

Blast size =/= power

If you have someone that can blow up a galaxy with an explosion and someone who can kill literally anything with a small attack, gods, the galaxy destroyer, universe destroyers even, the second guys attack is way more powerful.
DB logic is if it doesn't blow up X area and another attack does the first is weaker, condensing is fan theory.
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It's not a fan theory. It's flat out stated in the daizenshuu, supported by an interview with toriyama, and by vegeta and trunks
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The Sentry beat the Molecule Man, yeah, he can beat Goku down like a child. Also, comparing Professor X to Babidi is laughable, Babidi is a joke by comparison.

Anyway, aside from them, the newly upgraded Electro can do the trick, given how he's made of anti-matter now. Galacta, even while hungry, could take down Goku with just a mite more trouble than daddy. Mysterio's gases might work on Goku, not sure if Goku has resistance to poisons.
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Nov 25 2014, 08:11 PM
The Sentry beat the Molecule Man, yeah, he can beat Goku down like a child. Also, comparing Professor X to Babidi is laughable, Babidi is a joke by comparison.

Anyway, aside from them, the newly upgraded Electro can do the trick, given how he's made of anti-matter now. Galacta, even while hungry, could take down Goku with just a mite more trouble than daddy. Mysterio's gases might work on Goku, not sure if Goku has resistance to poisons.
The Prof is able to be blocked out by savages like Sabretooth and Wolverine, They do not have the mental training Goku has not even close. The Majin Seal not only takes over your mind but also there soul yet Vegeta Was able to overcome it and Vegeta=Goku in all areas. Has the Prof ever control deities like Bababidi... NOPE.

We all know Spiderman villans as low a Mysterio aint doing Jack to him, Hes basiclly the Marvel Counterpart of DCs Riddler, There both going to be one shoted in a blink of an eye.

Sentry lost to WWH in there second battle, he isnt beating Goku.

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The Sentry beat the Molecule Man, yeah, he can beat Goku down like a child. Also, comparing Professor X to Babidi is laughable, Babidi is a joke by comparison.

Anyway, aside from them, the newly upgraded Electro can do the trick, given how he's made of anti-matter now. Galacta, even while hungry, could take down Goku with just a mite more trouble than daddy. Mysterio's gases might work on Goku, not sure if Goku has resistance to poisons.
The Prof is able to be blocked out by savages like Sabretooth and Wolverine, They do not have the mental training Goku has not even close. The Majin Seal not only takes over your mind but also there soul yet Vegeta Was able to overcome it and Vegeta=Goku in all areas. Has the Prof ever control deities like Bababidi... NOPE.

We all know Spiderman villans as low a Mysterio aint doing Jack to him, Hes basiclly the Marvel Counterpart of DCs Riddler, There both going to be one shoted in a blink of an eye.

Sentry lost to WWH in there second battle, he isnt beating Goku.

Dabra is hardly a deity, even if he was, DBZ deities suck. And when has Sabertooth resisted Professor X? I know Wolverine can, but it's mostly due to the adamantium. Professor X has affected far more people than Babidi could. If Babidi could just mentally take over the Earth, why didn't he?

Mysterio is covered in poison gases, given Goku's propensity to almost never go for the one-shot, he could end up getting poisoned by them and then convinced to kill himself or something. Mysterio fooled Wolverine's senses so that he killed everyone in the school, he'll only have issue with Goku if Goku decides to one shot, which is OOC. There are a lot of low tier villains that can beat Goku with hax, given Goku's personality. Another example is someone like Lizard, who now has abilities to telepathically activate certain areas of the mind

Losing to WWH doesn't mean anything when WWH would also beat Goku. Dat 40 ton strength must have Hulk shaking in his pants.
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Nov 28 2014, 03:36 AM
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The Sentry beat the Molecule Man, yeah, he can beat Goku down like a child. Also, comparing Professor X to Babidi is laughable, Babidi is a joke by comparison.

Anyway, aside from them, the newly upgraded Electro can do the trick, given how he's made of anti-matter now. Galacta, even while hungry, could take down Goku with just a mite more trouble than daddy. Mysterio's gases might work on Goku, not sure if Goku has resistance to poisons.
The Prof is able to be blocked out by savages like Sabretooth and Wolverine, They do not have the mental training Goku has not even close. The Majin Seal not only takes over your mind but also there soul yet Vegeta Was able to overcome it and Vegeta=Goku in all areas. Has the Prof ever control deities like Bababidi... NOPE.

We all know Spiderman villans as low a Mysterio aint doing Jack to him, Hes basiclly the Marvel Counterpart of DCs Riddler, There both going to be one shoted in a blink of an eye.

Sentry lost to WWH in there second battle, he isnt beating Goku.

Dabra is hardly a deity, even if he was, DBZ deities suck. And when has Sabertooth resisted Professor X? I know Wolverine can, but it's mostly due to the adamantium. Professor X has affected far more people than Babidi could. If Babidi could just mentally take over the Earth, why didn't he?

Mysterio is covered in poison gases, given Goku's propensity to almost never go for the one-shot, he could end up getting poisoned by them and then convinced to kill himself or something. Mysterio fooled Wolverine's senses so that he killed everyone in the school, he'll only have issue with Goku if Goku decides to one shot, which is OOC. There are a lot of low tier villains that can beat Goku with hax, given Goku's personality. Another example is someone like Lizard, who now has abilities to telepathically activate certain areas of the mind

Losing to WWH doesn't mean anything when WWH would also beat Goku. Dat 40 ton strength must have Hulk shaking in his pants.
How do dbz dieties suck, Thats just your opinion and basiclly just a bad response in your end. Dubura is a diety as he was stated to be a makaioshin (Evil eqivelants to kais.) Prof is able to acsees wolverines mine, Shown in various comic strips and other forms of media but when he was going in things that were to personal he blocked himout (Same as with Sabretooth,When the prof was looking threw his memories he went bezerk and broke the channel). Anamentium isnt blocking physicis. Majin Seal >The Prof.

Goku lifted more than 40 tons considering he was on Grands Planet at the lowest he lifted 400tons and considering/presumably the gravity is stronger than North Kais planet he could have lifted more than that. Goku also caught a island (in base and in the Frieza saga) an island is approximatly 64645465 tons. so throw that 40 ton punching power right out the window. WWH Has low durability (Town buster kod him) but is his strongest incarnation. imagin if a solar system busting attack hit WWH.

P.S THESE ARE THE THING DBZ GODS DO.
Earth God:Can make moons out of nothing and make objects that can grant a wish.
The King Kais:Look over all the main quadrants/Main Galaxies,well there basiclly the the overseeres of the universe.
Grand Kai: Oversee the universal Gods
Supreme Kais:Gods of Creation
Makaioshin:Dabra rules the Demon realm which is a physical plane opposite the known universe
God of Destruction:Destroy planets to keep universal balance, Were stated to be atleast Galaxy busters, There sheer speed is able to exit the universe and enter heaven.
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Kami is a deity and he's piss weak. So is King Kai. Kaioshin was also unimpressive. And show me scans of Sabertooth breaking X's connection. BTW, X has completely rearranged Wolverine's mind, he's fine with it

Presumably being the key word. You assume there's higher gravity. There's no reason to assume this. And Goku catching an island was anime filler, as far as I can recollect. As for Hulk, he was holding an exploding planet together, one punch from him should kill Goku based on the fact that physical durability in DBZ is oddly low

Kami can get owned by Raditz, a low ranking, garbage Saiyan
King Kai was terrified of Nappa, a Saiyan
The Supreme Kais are horrifically outmatched by Base Saiyans
How does ruling another universe mean anything?
The Destruction Gods were never said to be galaxy busters except in the English version and mistranslations, the only DBZ character who has shown that capability is Omega Shenron, even then, over time
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People still mentioning split durability lol

Such a thing makes no sense at all
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Nov 28 2014, 01:18 PM
People still mentioning split durability lol

Such a thing makes no sense at all
Yes it does. Wonder Woman can die from bullets and swords but is fine taking punches from Superman

A real world example is a pillow. Punching a pillow won't do much, hitting it with a knife will
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okay so what are Hulk's speed feats if he has any?

Remember Buu saga goku is massively above 100000 mach and remember the fight between cell and ussj trunks replace trunks to Hulk and we have the answer
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Nov 28 2014, 02:13 PM
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People still mentioning split durability lol

Such a thing makes no sense at all
Yes it does. Wonder Woman can die from bullets and swords but is fine taking punches from Superman

A real world example is a pillow. Punching a pillow won't do much, hitting it with a knife will
Actually WW can take bullets fine just writers who know nothing about physics

A bullet or a sword will never do as much damage from a punch from Superman

Also what kind of example is that?

A knife is sharper than your fists so it can cut easier but if I punch my pillow at mach speeds nothing would be left of it

Hence why split durability makes no sense because everything is energy
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okay so what are Hulk's speed feats if he has any?

Remember Buu saga goku is massively above 100000 mach and remember the fight between cell and ussj trunks replace trunks to Hulk and we have the answer
He's been able to catch a bullet in between his teeth as well as jumping in the way of said bullet to catch it. Not block, catch it.

The speed doesn't really matter, Hulk has AOE in the the thunderclap and Goku's attacks aren't going to do anything.

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Actually WW can take bullets fine just writers who know nothing about physics

A bullet or a sword will never do as much damage from a punch from Superman

Also what kind of example is that?

A knife is sharper than your fists so it can cut easier but if I punch my pillow at mach speeds nothing would be left of it

Hence why split durability makes no sense because everything is energy

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This has always been true, WW's kryptonite has always been piercing weapons of any kind.

And application of energy matters too. A bee could ram you all day and it wouldn't matter, but if it stings you, it breaks the skin. It's that simple.

Blunt application of force is different from piercing. Just as burning something is different from melting it with acid. Just as punching something is different compared to a mystical force.
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Wtf? I want context. I'm having trouble believing wonder woman can't withstand bullets and swords.

The split durability dbz has makes no sense yeah but it's there and we have to accept it until someone gives some real proof like we have with their blasts. Idk who can beat hulk unless were using crazy haxed godly characters
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Nov 28 2014, 07:45 PM
Wtf? I want context. I'm having trouble believing wonder woman can't withstand bullets and swords.

The split durability dbz has makes no sense yeah but it's there and we have to accept it. Idk who can beat hulk unless were using crazy haxed godly characters
The sword one has a guy with super speed and strength(intangibility too) but his sword was perfectly ordinary. As for the bullet, it was a regular bullet from a regular gun and it left her bleeding from the gut later on

However
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/0/2532/1195567-ww210page174gs.jpg
This sword wasn't enchanted(superhuman strength from the bearer, but the sword didn't snap on impact)
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Regular arrows have done the trick

For a long time, Wonder Woman has had trouble with piercing damage, it's why she blocks bullets with the bracelets instead of just tanking them. Catching her with a bullet or sword takes superhuman speed, but the actual metal being regular steel does the job fine. The official explanation is that Wonder Woman's powers are magic based.
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