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| DEY DID DIS 2 ME | Nov 24 2014, 09:44 AM Post #1 | |
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| lazerbem | Dec 1 2014, 11:06 PM Post #16 | |
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It could destroy their land is very unspecific. Say I am in the Caribbean in a small island and I say that line, I could mean that the land will be lifewiped, that the island will be destroyed, that nearby ones will be destroyed, that the entire area could be destroyed, etc. The trio really never used their strength on anything comparable, save Giratina choke slamming Dialga |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Dec 1 2014, 11:11 PM Post #17 | |
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Since there is no statement that it could destroy anything else more than the land, why make the assumption since it's not supported by anything? Well Leviathan's physicak strengh far outstripts the pokemon trio, i think that's for sur. |
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| lazerbem | Dec 1 2014, 11:41 PM Post #18 | |
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Destroying the land is still ambigous. Does he mean the immediate area, say a square mile? Does he mean the island itself? Does he mean the entire archipelago? Does he mean that the fallout will choke the sun and kill that way? It's such a generic term. And he can be as strong as he wants, he's nowhere near as fast and all of them possess the hax to put him down. Dialga can time loop him, Palkia can cut through anything by molecular distruption, Giratina can dump him into a cloud of the poison gas, and Arceus can do any of those, only better |
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| TheACE | Dec 2 2014, 12:51 AM Post #19 | |
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Question. When has Ash ever captured a legendary? How is that the least bit relevant? Further more, Yugi is NOT going to have the Great Leviathan. Maybe I lost the relevancy somewhere in the multiquotes, but this has nothing to do with Yugi dueling Ash. And Exodia Obliterates all. So... hellfire's Rage, Exodo Flame! |
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| lazerbem | Dec 2 2014, 01:01 AM Post #20 | |
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Yugi can't summon monsters though, even if by some miracle he did, he was unable to support even a single Feral Imp. I put my bets on Ash's Pokemon being able to take out whatever weak thing Yugi can conjure up, if he can conjure up anything in the first place |
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| TheACE | Dec 2 2014, 01:26 AM Post #21 | |
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Is there any reason to believe he can't? He was maintaining curse of Dragon and Dark Magician while battling Pegasus in the Shadow Realm. He also completed the unsolvable millenium puzzle. He reality warped all the right cards during his duel with the Pharoah and destroyed all three Eygptian Gods in one fell swoop. And if we included Millenium world, which is canon after all, he could magic up duel disks on sheer willpower like Kaiba and Joey, who were all able to summon their toughest monsters to fight Zorc too. And that game ran on shadow magic. So real question is, what Pokemon does Ash have that can do a damn thing to The Dark Magician, never the less Yugi's other monsters. Aside from Pikachu and Charizard, he doesn't have a thing that can duel a legendary Pokemon, never the less an ancient Egyptian Shadow Magic Monster. | |
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| lazerbem | Dec 2 2014, 03:02 AM Post #22 | |
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He maintained them...barely. Bringing out the Imp practically koed him, losing the Imp was worse. I think the summoning strain is worse than the maintenance strain. Solving the puzzle doesn't really mean he's magic, destiny and all that jazz comes in. He can alter probability, but everyone in the series has that(anyone worth crap anyway). If you are going to argue that, then even Tristan can pull out the stops to beat Ash's Pokemon As for the Millenium World, that's great for him, but they were only able to do it in the Millenium World, this was said. I guess it eases their strain or Tea is just a badass who can summon with no training Depending on the level of Dark Magician, quite a bit. Sometimes DM is stronger than Obelisk, sometimes he's considered to be weak as Hell(Paradox is so nice for comparisons. "Ha! Even the weaklings Judai and Yusei summoned exceed that pathetic monster. Such outdated tactics...") Anyway, Infernape never had a chance too, but he's really powerful and could possibly do it. Charizard can win against quite a few legendaries, the battle with Entei was rigged against him because the damn thing was powered by imagination, it was impossible to win. As for Pikachu, well, he flinched Arceus
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| TheACE | Dec 2 2014, 03:19 AM Post #23 | |
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1. He still pulled it off for quite some time. Wouldn't take much time for Summoned Skull to handle business. 2. His destiny to solve a magic puzzle for his past life that has magic powers from the nether world doesn't factor in? (Looks into bag of cards.) I'm going to hand you a red card sir, do with that what you will, but penalty has been called. ... No I'm not elaborating, you re-read that statement, go back to your YouTube channel and think about what you've done. ... Nope, still not delving into it. Magic Destiny Puzzle, need I say more? That's basically, Luke Force Destiny. Nuff Said. 3. Yeah sounds good. Tristan Taylor totally could kick the crap out of Ash then possibly outduel him. He's a pretty bad duelist, but he has some good moves and monsters. So yes. 4. Tea is a badass. She's a duelist too. She's won a few matches in canon and filler arcs. 4.5 And honestly, outside of a shadow game has anyone really had any active NEED to summon a real monster? For any reason? I mean they did it in the movie, but not only was Yugi in charge of the body at that point in time, Joey whipped a couple out too right after Pegasus. So yeah, I see no reason why this isn't happening. 5. DM Feats > Statements. Shame on you! Promptly after Paradox said that, Yugi whipped out a combination with the Magician that shut that blond weirdo up for quite some time during that movie. He can say that Dark Mage is wimpy, but it's consistent ass-kicking record speaks for itself. Actions over words man. (Oh slag, I gotta link this next time I debate with Pyrus lol.) 6. Plot, imagination, Charizard lost the fight. Besides, this is Pokemon we're talking about. It's made of things like Love, Imagination, Tenacity and Friendship and such, it's hardly rigged, he just didn't have enough Emotion Power. (Yes I did read that and no I'm not changing it.) He did well against Articuno, that was a solid win, but for some reason he couldn't take out Dusclops later on in the arc. And further more, does anyone actually know how he managed to take out Gary's Blastoise when he lost against Blazeiken. I get the "To Sell 7. So realistically it comes down to Pikachu vs Dark Magician. Pikachu stacks up towards "god" but Dark Magician can out do "god." So, I'd probably edge it out to Dark Magician for the win. Yugi's got it. Unless Ash actively tries to run up and punch him, or if he uses his aura, which I'm sure is stronger than regular Yugi's shadow magic, in which case Ash takes it by K.O. |
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| lazerbem | Dec 2 2014, 03:32 AM Post #24 | |
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1. He didn't summon anything besides Feral Imp though, and that took more out of him than maintaining the monsters already there. I don't trust him summoning SS 2. If you are going to pull that card, Ash has been the subject of at least 4 prophecies 3. In a fist fight? Almost certainly. In summoning? I highly doubt it 4. She won against absolute fodder and most of her matches involved someone helping her out. I'd be willing to bet even kid Jaden would beat her. It sure would have come in handy to stop Rafael from escaping by helicopter. Or to get some quick transport to Kaiba's Island. Or to simply sic a monster on Bakura while he's busy gloating about how he's not too different from the Pharoah. I can go on and on about times when it would have helped. 5. I'm not denying that the part about strategy was BS, the part I want to cite is that it's weaker than Stardust or Neos. Neos was half dead after a single blast from Stardust and Stardust's blasts, while impressive, weren't as bad as some of the stuff that's been tossed out by Pikachu. 6. Really? Most of the time, when Ash loses, he comes up with a new strategy(most of the time, there are times when heart power is called in). Again though, you can't say that it was fair to Charizard, fighting someone who is as powerful as he needs to be. As for Charizard's record, maybe he just has a cold and is too proud to admit it. Pikachu is just a jobber though, like, Rhino level jobbing. I tend to run with his high end feats, they make far more sense and are more consistent. And his high end stuff includes stuff like frying the nervous system of something without a nervous system and calling down a giant a*** lightning bolt that should have blinded and killed anyone within 30 feet. By my headcanon, it's a different protagonist in every arc, just change the name, it fits well 7. Arceus is God. Obelisk is a god. Difference there. But yeah, if it comes to a monster battle and Yugi doesn't keel over, he should win. Otherwise, Ash is going to beat him down worse than Ushio did. Are they blood lusted? Because if so, I can see Ash being able to survive long enough to run in and beat the s*** out of him(Bakura proves that magic is worth s*** in close combat). If not, Yugi wins via Ash not playing Dirty Harry |
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| TheACE | Dec 2 2014, 04:00 AM Post #25 | |
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1. I do. 2. Yes I did pull that card. And Ash has aura. You still get a red card, now sit in your virtual corner! 3. Battle Guards And Giant Robots. I'm sure they could give Ketchum a run for his money. He could duel with the big five (Albeit with help, but realistically Duke was the only helpful one.) 4. Handy but unnecessary clearly, they still walked out of all of that stuff just fine. And you want to turn Yugioh into Digimon, Pokemon, Monster Rancher, Dinosaur King and all those other monster shows even though Yu-Gi-Oh has found the perfect balance between childishly ridiculous and adult dark and awesome? Shame on you! No, you are to put this shame on top of your red card and go back to thinking! And do not de-value Tea, her juggs, or her victories. Besides, Jaden is a chosen one too, he gets duel spirit and shadow magic help. I think he can beat anyone short of the Platinum Trio really. You seen the way that guy Plot Sacks? There is no Fusion based E-Hero deck that ever runs that effectively for any reason without exactly 100 fusion cards and only 4 monsters! 5. Again statement, but there isn't anything that actively proves that Stardust or Neos is actually stronger. From what we've SEEN the Magician can hang with the gods. And in no way, shape or form does Paradox have a scouter on his face. There is no powerlevel for these card stock ancient Egyptian monstrosities. He doesn't know s*** and he died because of it. /5! 6. Never used the word fair. Fights to save the world aren't fair. Sucks, but true. It's about overcoming the unfair advantage. Charizard didn't. Doesn't mean he sucks, he just couldn't cut it. Also what you described is "Fanon" not canon. Jeanluc's high end stuff is in there with his low end stuff. Just like Goku, just like Supes, just like Spidey. Everyone has their good days and their bad days. We all get caught off gaurd, we all surprise people. It's just how it is. No cherry picking. That said, Jeanluc is one hell of a Pikachu and runs pretty high, I just don't see him stopping a Dark Magic Cylinder. 6.5 Not actually a problem with the post, but this Saturday I am getting a baby sitter and I'm gonna play a drinking game. Everytime me and my friends find the word "jobber" in one of your posts, we're taking a drink. Last man standing gets free drinks at the bar all night. Sadly if I win I will never be able to use that prize, baby sitters are very hard to come by and I don't like bars anymore. Kinda sucks. 7. Arceus... f*** make that movie make one lick of sense. If Arceus was really a pissed god with a capital "G" it wiped out that island by blinking. It did not do that. No capital G. Also Pikachu couldn't make it flinch. Double no capital G. Both of those capital Gs go to the Snoop D. O. Double G. Arceus is a "Mighty One" until feat proven otherwise. Secondarily, regarding blood lust... No idea. I'm not the OP. Without specific designations, we assume in character. Yugi's got the hard edge. |
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| lazerbem | Dec 2 2014, 04:16 AM Post #26 | |
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4. I was talking about Kid Jaden, the guy who tribute summoned Yubel like a noob 5. No, he died because of Kuriboh. And he doesn't need a scouter, he's from the future, he knows stuff like that due to knowledge on them 6. What's with Pikachu's name? And good luck with that. And Arceus is closer to big G than Obelisk and his wimpy self being shamefully outmatched by Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon, despite apparently being weaker than Malefic Truth Dragon(Paradox exposition again FTW. The guy dumps it like candy, though he could be a dumbass) |
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| TheACE | Dec 2 2014, 04:41 AM Post #27 | |
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4. Didn't watch that episode. Statement stands, luck isn't an age based thing, it just happens. Jaden's super power is luck. Unless... you can train luck i suppose? But no. 5. He apparently didn't, he lost pretty hard. Kuriboh contributed, but he decided to challenge three Game Kings to a card game to save the world from destruction via card game... I'm not buying that Paradox was anything but a really angry crazy guy with a time traveling motorcycle, there is absolutely nothing you can say to make his motives or his glaring failure incorrect. If Grandpa or Pegasus said it, sure that's reliable. Pegasus invented the game, Grandpa is the OG that taught Yugi and Joey all the moves. Hell even Shadi is the offical series Exposition Fairy. But Paradox man? He's about as credible as Dartz and Anubis. ... Paradox is a one shot movie villain, who dies, even though he was from the future and theoretically knew everything about duel monsters. I think this is a case of "talks big game, can't back dat up." I don't have to listen to exposition from a dead man who got killed in a children's card game. See read that out loud. Dead man, children's card game. ... No I gave you two good ones this time. That is literally you fighting feats with statments. I would love to see a Statement knock down a Mobile Suit. I think they tried that in Gundam 8th MS team. Didn't work, they needed a rocket launcher. 6. Electric Tale of Pikachu manga. It's a Star Trek pun. Jeanluc PIKAchu? Get it? And what the cherry picking thing? Yeah those low end things don't just unhappen (Well, normally they don't unhappen, retcons are things). No retcon means canon. /6 7. No he isn't. He did not do a damn godly thing ever for any reason. There is no reason he couldn't have screwed with the time space rift or anything of the like. He's not "God" he's a god-esque pokemon that embodies the idea of creation. Like Dialga embodies time, Palkia embodies space, Giratina embodies whatever the **** Giratina embodies, Mewtwo embodies evolution, and Pikachu embodies tenacity, and Charizard embodies courage, and Garurumon embodies Friendship and... what did I start doing that thing again? Sorry, sorry, focused, but I think I've proven my point here. There is no functional difference between Arceus, Obelisk, King Kai, Koenma or any other anime deity really. They all bleed, they can all be killed. Period. That and aside from attack and defense points, what's Paradox basing that on? They weren't in a shadow game (mostly) they were sitting there with duel disks and holograms with actual attack and defense points. So by numbers yeah the 4500/3800 fusion is indeed weaker out the gate than the 5000/5000 beat stick. And also in fairness, Obelisk and his ancient Egyptian Homies were rocking the house, just like Blue Eyes, just like Exodia until the Plothole Darkness Wave opened up. So there's that. |
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| DEY DID DIS 2 ME | Dec 2 2014, 05:35 AM Post #28 | |
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Ugh... trollish indeed. (autoplay) I think you guys should see this, and admit to yourselves who this guy really is: So , ma frens, Ash is both the Guardian of the Seas as well as the Guardian of the Skies. lol, Kings of Games? He's not very gud at Showdown... He's better than Game of Thrones though. |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Dec 2 2014, 07:36 PM Post #29 | |
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He couldn't mean anything more than an island, the statement was about the land they lived on, no reason to go ahead and exaggerate it. Why isn't he fast enough? Does the pokemon trio have any sort of speed feats i don't remember? I'm not denying the pokemon trio could win this, but none of them comes close to Leviathan's physcial strengh. And going back to the topic, Ash does not have any legendary pokemon, if monsters are real and Yugi can control them then he roflstomps, otherwise Ash destroys the kid. |
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| DEY DID DIS 2 ME | Dec 3 2014, 02:20 PM Post #30 | |
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Ash doesn't have to capture legendary pokemon; Ash is protected by legendary pokemon. they love him. | |
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