If Ali was born ten years later

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If Ali was born ten years later
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+ Pelador	Nov 19 2014, 07:45 PM Post #16
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Well history doesn't see it that way. On the contrary few pro athletes served in Vietnam, with the noted exceptions of Bill Campbell, Rocky Bleier the Pittsburgh Steelers running back and Al Bumbry, a Baltimore Orioles outfielder. Who was black by the way.
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Saberoph	Nov 19 2014, 07:55 PM Post #17
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	What does skin color have to do with that running back... was he mistreated? I really don't know any American Football history, the only Sports History I have any real knowledge of is Hockey, Boxing and MMA, the rest is a total blank to me.
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Buuberries	Nov 19 2014, 08:04 PM Post #18
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	why are we talking about the draft, anyway? it doesnt matter what the reason was. the only way i can see it relate is if we speculate about how good ali would've if he wasnt laid off from boxing for three years because of it
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Saberoph	Nov 19 2014, 08:11 PM Post #19
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	Well for me, I was just saying I believe he would've been an even bigger sports icon and so many promoters would have paid the man whatever he wanted he he not dodged the draft. That's what I was trying to get across.
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+ Pelador	Nov 19 2014, 08:33 PM Post #20
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	The skin colour mattered because he was one of the only athletes to get drafted. Ali would have been another. Back then it did matter what your skin colour was. That's why so many people fought to change the system. He wouldn't have been a sports icon, he would have been forgotten or killed. Plus if you think how his form dropped because of being unable to fight, imagine what it would have been like if he'd actually gone to Vietnam?
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Saberoph	Nov 19 2014, 08:57 PM Post #21
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	That doesn't mean he would have gone to Vietnam, I personally know people of both white and black who were drafted and never left the US, for all we know he could have Boxed for the Military... he would have still been well conditioned when he got out and picked up right where he left off in probably in ever better form. That's just something we will never know. However, I think we can all agree on Ali was one of a kind and a special kind of Boxer and Talent, and will we probably wont see again for quite some time.
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+ Pelador	Nov 19 2014, 10:11 PM Post #22
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	He couldn't have boxed for the military with a professional license. And he would have likely have been working as admin given his status because even the American government of the 1960s weren't stupid enough to risk getting a gold medal winning, world famous athlete killed in battle.
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Saberoph	Nov 19 2014, 10:25 PM Post #23
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	I don't see why having a professional license would keep him from Boxing, but okay. But I'm sure you get my point... he had options, and yes he could have worked with the Boxing team and he could have stayed in the US, while keeping his conditioning at the same time. One of the guys I know who was drafted was in perfect health but when he was drafted he got a desk job and never left the US, it's not unlikely that Ali could have opened his mouth and all he had to say is he could help the Boxing talent, and the Military would be dumber than I believe them to be to not to listen to him and let Ali leave the US.
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Mc Esse	Dec 17 2014, 10:59 AM Post #24
Posts: 2,273 Group: Member Member #4,041 Joined: March 21, 2009 Favourite Anime Jersey Shore What Browser do you use? FF Favourite Manga Batman	I can agree with that. If not more heat than Ali a white man would've got just as much heat. Isn't it a disgrace and against the law to dodge a draft? If Ali was born 10 years later he may not have been as dominant with Tyson in the boxing world at the same time.



olliebalollie	Dec 19 2014, 03:49 AM Post #25
Posts: 708 Group: Member Member #11,278 Joined: April 30, 2014 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Kai What Browser do you use? Firefox & Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Master Saberoph Nov 18 2014, 03:30 PM I pretty much agree with everything you just said. However, I still do believe Tyson would have knocked him out, but it would have been around Round 5 or so... not Round 1 like a lot of other Fighters. Ali was a special kind of Fighter, and in my opinion one we have yet to see again. I like your points, but disagree with Tyson knocking out Ali. First off, I'm glad you mentioned you think Tyson would knock him out, because I'm tired of hearing (so-called) boxing experts on ESPN boxing or whatever, say "Ali would have destroyed Tyson, look at Sonny Liston" and they compared Liston to Tyson. Secondly, its almost an insult comparing Liston to Tyson, - Look at Tyson's hand speed when he was at his prime (training under Kevin Rooney = peek-a-boo style, emphasized elusiveness of movement). - His head movements trying to fake, jab, go under and counter with a left hook. Tyson will kill Liston in every category. My third point, Ali had ONE hell of chin..... this guy fought on after a broken jaw and took punches from Earnie Shavers and came back. So I think Ali would win, especially when Ali was at his prime years. This guy was too fast and slick. EDIT Sorry Master Saberoph, I think I reported you by accident. I thought I was pressing the quote button, but pressed the report. Edited by olliebalollie, Dec 19 2014, 03:51 AM.



+ Pelador	Dec 19 2014, 04:00 AM Post #26
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Ali's chin was inconsistent. Henry Cooper Ko'd him in one punch but he was saved by the bell. Ali's jab wouldn't work on Tyson either because his head movement and reflexes were too quick even for Ali. The key to beating Tyson was to fight him on the inside. Frank Bruno had the right idea but he had no stamina. But Ali was a genius in the ring. He'd probably box Tyson on the inside and win. I'd love to know for sure
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olliebalollie	Dec 19 2014, 04:13 AM Post #27
Posts: 708 Group: Member Member #11,278 Joined: April 30, 2014 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Kai What Browser do you use? Firefox & Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Ali's chin was consistent. He also took a signature left hook from Frazier and got back up. Earnie Shavers is considered by many "the hardest puncher". He hit Ali clean and knocked him down, but Ali shook it off and continued and won the fight. Maybe Cooper got lucky and hit Ali on the sweet spot.



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