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| superperfectnerd | Dec 31 2014, 10:25 AM Post #1246 |
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Yeah, I would have thought he would have learnt from that. Even if he just went for a brisk jog every morning he'd probably be stronger than Goku and Vegeta. |
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Jan 1 2015, 09:02 PM Post #1247 |
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is there any info about Zarbon ? |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 1 2015, 09:03 PM Post #1248 |
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His ashes are in a jar in a compartment in Freeza's hover chair. That's what I heard from Planet Namek. |
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Jan 1 2015, 09:42 PM Post #1249 |
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No way? |
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| Skywalker | Jan 2 2015, 03:35 AM Post #1250 |
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Maybe he won't be drunk this time. |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 2 2015, 03:18 PM Post #1251 |
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True. Maybe Gohan will take sleeping pills before Freeza shows up so he can have an excuse to get his a*** kicked yet again. Then in the next one he can decide to fire a full power blast into space for the sake of showing off, so he has no power when the next threat shows up. |
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| TheGmGoken | Jan 2 2015, 10:35 PM Post #1252 |
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For those who thinks Vegeta should be the one to defeat Freeza.......explain yourself?
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| * Yu Narukami | Jan 2 2015, 11:06 PM Post #1253 |
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Izanagi!
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It would be preferable to Goku beating the big bad again. Vegeta's power is always tauted as 'great' or 'amazing', yet Vegeta always takes a back-seat to Goku. It's time that Vegeta actually got his time in the spotlight. The fact that he actually has a long history with Freeza helps too, as opposed to Goku, who only found out who he was on the way to Namek. Though Vegeta didn't seem to care, he actually experienced what it was like to lose his entire race and be one of the last Saiyans in the Universe; Goku didn't suffer that and, as such, it didn't really have much of an impact on his character. Why Vegeta? He has a history with Freeza He deserves to be the hero for once Goku beating Freeza again would just be boring |
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| TheGmGoken | Jan 3 2015, 12:31 AM Post #1254 |
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I don't know why you're saying "again". The last "Big Bad" that Goku defeated(Written by Toriyama) was Freeza. He hasn't beaten any "Big Bad" since then. Vegeta deserves anything BUT being a hero. Vegeta has never redeem himself ever. Everything he has done Pre-BoG has been for selfish reasons. Even more-so than Goku. Vegeta is an a*****. Freeza was being an a***** dictator to another a***** prick. Had Freeza NOT enslave Vegeta then Vegeta would be even WORST than what Freeza was. Freeza at least had an army. Vegeta would form a small alliance with two people. Kill everyone else. Who to say Goku will beat Freeza. Maybe Beerus will? Maybe even Goku and Vegeta will beat him. But won't kill him again. Perhaps sent into another universe. Vegeta might have Saiyan pride. But he doesn't give a DAMN about his race. If Vegeta cared so much about being the last Saiyan. He would't had killed Nappa or use the DBs for Immortally. Vegeta can go to hell and stay there to burn for all I care. He doesn't deserve to be the hero. Yes, I'm heavily aware that Vegeta will probably be the hero. Yes I'm going to "Deal with it" if it happens the way I think it'll happen. And yes I do hope for this movie to be better than BoG. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Jan 3 2015, 12:51 AM Post #1255 |
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wow haters gonna hate, is totally applicable gm you seem to forget that vegeta DID redeem himself before BOG he went as far as to come back to life to try and save earth knowing he was going to fail he then went on to become veggeto knowing that it was permanent and pride being thrown away and then tried to help with the spirit bomb so thats 3 times in the last part of the saga alone, i also like how you u bring up his bad points BEFORE he became for the most part good, lmao i dont see how you can hate vegeta, hes just that badass in every series Edited by Havoc_Wreaker, Jan 3 2015, 01:28 AM.
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| superperfectnerd | Jan 3 2015, 12:53 AM Post #1256 |
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Saiyans are 'evil' by nature. They literally crave violence and destruction. Asking a saiyan to not fight and conquer is like asking a lion not to hunt a gazelle. Goku would be exactly the same had he not suffered brain damage as a baby. Vegeta didn't have that luxury and his redemption - whilst certainly a bumpy ride - came through experience and choice. Plus, righteousness isn't the only thing that makes a character interesting to watch. You seem to be suggesting a fight can only be enjoyable if it's a 'good versus evil' battle for the fate of the universe. What about when Vegeta was on Namek? Did you not enjoy his fights with Kiwi? Dodoria? Zarbon? He has history with Freeza and despite the fact that - as you said - he didn't 'deserve' to be the one to beat Freeza the first time, he now does deserve to because he has developed into a good person. There's nothing wrong with a redemption story and seeing Vegeta face Freeza as a different person with different motives is more exciting than seeing Goku face him again with the same motives. And this obsession with Vegeta always making things worse...well yeah, he's a saiyan, he wants a fight. Goku is exactly the same - as I've said before - the only difference is that Goku happens to not lose or his actions accidentally turn out for the best. Goku let Taopaipai climb Karin's tower because he was confident he wouldn't get strong enough to be a threat again. Goku let Vegeta live to threaten Earth again because he wanted a rematch. Goku let Freeza attain 100% of his power because he wanted to beat him at his best. Goku opted to not find Gero before the 17 and 18 were awakened and mankind was exterminated and just train for an exciting fight instead. Goku put the whole fate of the universe on his 9 year old son's shoulders despite the fact Gohan didn't want to fight and happily ignored Piccolo's pleas to intervene...he even gave Cell a senzu bean because he wanted Cell to have a fair fight. Goku opted to not return to life to be with his family because he wanted to 'protect' the earth from villains who return for revenge on those who defeated them...which they will continue to do when somebody else defeats them anyway, that's just what villains do. He then lost his s*** from the excitement of possibly fighting and training with all the great fighters of Otherworld. Goku opted to ignore Kaioshin and fight Vegeta, letting his energy revive Buu instead of just ssj3ing the fight to an early conclusion. Goku decided to let Buu live so that the kids could defend the world this time...despite the fact that Gohan did it last time anyway. Goku runs off with a small child at the end of Z and gives a heartfelt goodbye to all his friends despite the fact he has the shunkan ido and could see them instantly....at any time....whenever he wants. I still like Goku by the way. He's probably my second favourite, especially when he was a kid, but his stupid decisions are just as stupid as Vegeta's. Vegeta just happens to always lose and Goku happens to always win. Well that formula is boring now. I wouldn't even be that concerned if Vegeta wasn't the one to beat Freeza, just anyone but Goku. |
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| + Clearin | Jan 3 2015, 01:15 AM Post #1257 |
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I wouldn't like Vegeta beating the villain in the Freeza or Cell saga, his attitude and reasoning for it would just make him insufferable if he succeeded. But now I wouldn't mind. If anything I think Vegeta is more suited to beat a villain now than Goku is, Goku still cares too much about a good fight, while Vegeta cares more about protecting Bulma. |
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Jan 3 2015, 01:24 AM Post #1258 |
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Probably Earth as well, Clearin. |
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| Kblo247 | Jan 3 2015, 01:28 AM Post #1259 |
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How can you say vegeta would have grown up to be worse had he not been given to frieza as a boy? Had Gohan not found Goku, he could have been worse off and evil. He could have tried to kill everyone had he not been raised and taken in by Gohan, Bulma, Rosh, LAunch, Krillin, Yamcha, and the like. Goku was taken in by everyone, given home, food, and love all around.He was every bit as evil at the start as Vegeta but didn't have a choicer about reforming because of brain damage. Tine was evil and changed with the help of others. Piccolo was evil incarnate and only became good because a 4 year old boy reached out to him when he was 8 in earth years as opposed to his original self which spent years being corrupted. Vegeta wasn't even a teenager when he was taken. He was taken, trained to kill and fight for his life, and yes he excelled at it, which was no different than Ten who didn't bat an eye. He took joy in crippling Yamcha when he was beat. He tried to kill without remorse. All we see is that Vegeta is shown genuine teamwork without a selfish motive and friendship when he meets the Z fighters. They let him go. But you know for a fact he paid them back 10 fold, more than they did him. He let Gohan go when he first sees him on name. HE saves them from Guido repaying his debt. He heals Goku, who didn't heal him before. He saved them versus initial frieze when they are shaking and he steps in. When he's being beat they don't lift a finger and are frozen in fear. He returns to fight Frieza when he has no shot in his mind when frieza comes to earth. He saves Goku from 19. He is the only one in the manga to even help Gohan vs Cell. Yes he was wrong for going to the extreme at the tourney over his fight that he's been promised for over a decade and no he won't get for seemingly ever. He was no more wrong than Piccolo willingly sacrificing millions when he tells Super buu kill the humans for fun. He still came up with the plan to free everyone from buu, beat him, and revive everything. He didn't' wish memories away either, that was goku, and even that is wish washy with them counting Tarble in canon as the special celebrates the defeat of Buu, making it seem like they replaced fat boys image in peoples head with the midget doing all the evil. He made a fool of himself to not get everyone killed in bog where goku tries to fight beers after being told don't. Vegeta is no saint, but he's also far from the devil. He is Tommy from MMPR if anything ... and at present day, Vegeta would put his kids, wife, and yes even his friends over his own glory.l Had he cared about that alone, he would have been the one to be a god since he showed the most power. He wouldn't have sung and danced like a clown and he wouldn't have called Goku a better man at Kid. He would fight the battle for everyone else over the fn fun of it like Goku whose pride had blinded him as the series went on and he developed his own ideas of battle Edited by Kblo247, Jan 3 2015, 01:31 AM.
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| TheGmGoken | Jan 3 2015, 01:32 AM Post #1260 |
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To fix a problem...that he not only created BUT helped out by KILLING the people in the Tenkaichi Budokai. Just to fight in an one-sided rivalry. And no Vegeta wanted to re-match against Boo. He looked confident and did NOT know he was going to fail again.
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. One good deed suddenly means you're not a selfish prick who used to kill for a living. It also means you're allowed to do no harm and any memory of who you USED to be is erased by every character except yourself and your rival. Vegeta killed a-lot of people at the Tenkaichi Budokai. But after killing himself. That doesn't matter and he still deserve to kill Freeza.





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