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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,327 Views)
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That's one of the things that worries me... that TOEI is going to do everything they can to keep Kakarrot from getting beat like Vegeta and Gohan gets in his Movies. Because if this is going to be Vegeta's Movie, then TOEI should put Kakarrot in Vegeta's place completely, and let him get beaten and being down and like like Vegeta is.


I don't know, BOG and now this new movie are the first DragonBall stories in a long time. I mean Wrath of the Dragon came out in 1995 and we live in a different time now. A lot of people are tired of the knight in shining armour, perfect do gooder. It's the age of the anti-hero and a more complicated greying of 'good and evil'. I'm sure they must know this. Plus from what I can tell Vegeta is at least as popular as Goku. He's certainly more popular amongst my friends. I keep hearing stories of when people actually cheered in the cinema when Vegeta was smacking Beerus around. They'd be foolish not to give the fans something new for a change...that being said, from what I've seen of the trailer, it wouldn't surprise me if Goku saves the day again.

I worry that we'll see some random henchmen in Freezer's army being a match for Gohan, Piccolo or even 18. Heck even the humans should be far, far, far above anything in Freeza's original army.
Edited by superperfectnerd, Dec 16 2014, 06:33 PM.
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My other worry is of course AT contradicting himself, which is something he's been doing lately.

I have no doubt Vegeta will be the man by the end of the Movie, but I'm worried that TOEI is going to protect Kakarrot and keep him from getting the same beat down the second main character who doesn't win gets.
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Goku has had utter beat downs before. General Tao gave him a good seeing to. King Piccolo nearly killed him. Vegeta left him entirely paralyzed. Ginyu/Vegeta then left him crushed again on Namek. I guess the difference is that despite his beating, in most cases he's still the one to come back and defeat the main enemy.
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Exactly!

My worry is TOEI may do something like that here.
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It does always feel like they give other characters their 'moments' to pander to the fans a bit, only to have Goku still return as the 'main event'. it's like they say,

"Oh let's just have Vegeta surpass Goku for 5 seconds, the Vegeta fans will like that."
"Is he going to beat the main villain then? Surely not?"
"Oh God no! Goku's going to do that obviously."

I have a little more faith in Toryama though because he really seemed to understand his characters in BOG. He actually pointed out Goku's flaws and highlighted the debilitating nature of Vegeta's pride. He also openly made fun of Goku always being the hero himself and then had him lose. So I have a small bit of faith he'll take the story in a different direction for once.
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I still have faith in AT, but I have none in TOEI.

Sure AT is writing, but he still answers to TOEI and TOEI has the final decision on everything... that's where part of my worry is from. Now I know he's going to be given some leeway due to him being the creator of DBZ, but regardless he is just the writer and TOEI is the Director.
Edited by Saberoph, Dec 16 2014, 07:13 PM.
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Two things:

- Akira Toriyama doesn't contradict himself on purpose to piss of the fanbase. What happens happens because he either forgot or don't think it's a big deal to begin with (ie battle powers)

- I think Toriyama has more of a say than people think. Even though TOEI is the "boss" when it comes to releasing stuff, he's the creator of Dragonball and TOEI probably trusts his judgement and in the end what he has to say will end up being in the final script. He knows best.
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I don't ever think AT contradicts himself to piss anyone off... I think that would be a jerk move, and with a franchise that's still alive today, it wouldn't be very smart.

As for your second part, I edited my last post kind of adding that same point.
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I can't help but feel it was his intention to elevate Vege but the rest of his team disagreed. Vegeta is hardly in the trailer at all and it's not the kind of movie to completely mislead in the trailer. Plus, the toys at the end, assuming they come with cinema tickets, being only Goku and Freeza.
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- Akira Toriyama doesn't contradict himself on purpose to piss off the fanbase.
Oh Toriyama is totally the guy that would do that.
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Dec 16 2014, 08:34 PM
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Dec 16 2014, 07:12 PM
- Akira Toriyama doesn't contradict himself on purpose to piss off the fanbase.
Oh Toriyama is totally the guy that would do that.
Sorry, Mr. I-Know-Toriyama-Personally.

Could you let me know why you would say that? Toriyama seems like a nice guy, but ever so forgetful.
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They could have vegeta win with help as the middle ground. Have goku and all the other z fighters, not just saiyans, give him their power to fight Frieza on even terms, thus making it a skill fight
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I just want Vegeta to take out Frieza on his own, without any ridiculous amount of help.

Goku can do commentary.

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Gohan looks like a mix of Yamcha and Rock Lee , Lmfaooooooooooooo
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- Akira Toriyama doesn't contradict himself on purpose to piss off the fanbase.
Oh Toriyama is totally the guy that would do that.
Sorry, Mr. I-Know-Toriyama-Personally.

Could you let me know why you would say that? Toriyama seems like a nice guy, but ever so forgetful.
I don't need to know him personally to know how be behaves. In case you had forgotten, Toriyama is the type to kill off a person because of how many people wanted him to stay alive:
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Do you make any use of such fan opinions in the original work?
I do, in the sense of “betraying the fans’ expectations”. For instance, when I got a lot of, “Don’t kill Vegeta,” I deliberately killed him. (laughs)
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/daizenshuu-5-akira-toriyama-super-interview/

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