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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,393 Views)
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I agree with Goken here. People have their reasons for not liking this movie. For me, it was Beerus as the main villain and other things that made me dislike it.

Personally, i'm not a fan of pretty much everything 2008 and beyond for everything DB related.
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How is Beerus bad? He was funny and had charm. Really, what exactly do you expect out of him?
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Beerus was the best villain since Cooler, for sure.
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All of this is subjective. I laughed my *** off when I saw Gohan drunk and Vegeta on stage introducing bingo in order to distract everyone from annoying Beerus.
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Jul 16 2014, 01:27 AM
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Jul 16 2014, 01:22 AM
The style of humor might not be subjective but the way it's done or presented is.
Dragonball: Funny
DBZ(When it had humor): Mega fun(GINYU FORCE, Goten, Gotenks(Minus filler), and Goku meeting Trunks)
BoG: That was so funny I forgot to laugh.

BoG failed at humor, plot, action, and living up to the hype(IMO).
I don't see any difference with how it's presented. Explain to me what's so different about it, and I'll concede. Once again, I'll ask you why the plot was bad, as you didn't really explain that in your rant.
Db: Perverted, naive slapstick, poop on stick humor.
Dbz: less perverted. More gag related humor. Boo arc more childish as the humor comes from the Kids
BoG: Forced humor that came out phoney. Random stuff.

Plot bad because not only was it just a repeat of
"Guy looks for Goku"
"Goku out of action"
"Support cast do their thing"
"Someone hits the big bad"
"Defeated"
"Goku come back with or soon to get big power"
"Win or lose Goku saves the day"
but Beerus was a boring anthologist. The whole SSG concept sounds like a fanfiction. Besides Beerus looking for SSG what plot is there? The universe concept I'll wait until it expanded on to base opinions on it. BoG was just another villain looking for Goku. Well Beerus isn't bad. But you get the point. Beerus was boring too.
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That doesn't explain the difference in how it's presented. None of the Battle of Gods humor was forced. Really? Last I checked it's Goku looking for the bad guy. Only the Red Ribbon Army was ever out for Goku. Heck usually evil just kinda shows up. Other than that, yeah I see your point, but then, how is that bad? If it ain't broke don't fix it right? Dragon Ball isn't exactly known for it's deep plots. How is Beerus boring? How does SSJ God sound like fanfiction? You just keep saying something is bad, but you don't explain why it's bad.
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Goku wasn't look for Freeza. He promised not to fight him. Goku wasn't lookin for anyone. Cyber Freeza looked for Goku, Cyborgs was after Goku, Pure Boo was after Goku, and Beerus was after the SSJ who defeated Freeza. Which was Goku. Its been broken Since Cyborg arc imo. Gets boring and predictable. The humor was forced. Beerus was bad as stated many of times by myself because I saw no difference between him and Boo besides Beerus having common sense. I have YET to have anyone on any website explain how BoG is good. All I see is. "Its not bad! Its good! It got humor!". That's all. No explanation at all.

Someone or a group don't like BoG. So? Even if its "baseless" maybe they don't like the movie. As you said on Goten topic. More power to you if you like it. I don't see what's so great about it
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I feel like this is getting slightly off-topic. Could you guys wrap it up and get back to topic? :)
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Jul 16 2014, 01:59 AM
Goku wasn't look for Freeza. He promised not to fight him. Goku wasn't lookin for anyone. Cyber Freeza looked for Goku, Cyborgs was after Goku, Pure Boo was after Goku, and Beerus was after the SSJ who defeated Freeza. Which was Goku. Its been broken Since Cyborg arc imo. Gets boring and predictable. The humor was forced. Beerus was bad as stated many of times by myself because I saw no difference between him and Boo besides Beerus having common sense. I have YET to have anyone on any website explain how BoG is good. All I see is. "Its not bad! Its good! It got humor!". That's all. No explanation at all.
Uh, yes he was. It wasn't until Kaio told him to stay away, did he(and he didn't really because he fought him anyway), and Freeza certainly wasn't looking for him. Yes, Mecha Freeza went looking for him, but that's just one example. Like I said, the rest is the Red Ribbon army(which incudes the Artificial Humans and Cell, cuz they are kinda linked). Pure Buu wasn't looking for Goku specifically, and Buu in general was just oblivious to most people in general. Dragon Ball by it's nature is predictable, how is this any different? I could name a few differences between Beerus and Buu. Beerus wasn't a villain. Beerus' personality greatly differs from Buu's, and he's purple not pink(joke). You wanna know why Battle of Gods was good? fine. I like Battle of Gods because the characters were amusing. Whis and Beerus had an excellent dynamic, and Vegeta's depth as a character also showed more as he sacrificed his pride in an attempt to save everyone, and he went ape sh** when someone hit his woman. I like the humor present within the film. Trunks' shenanigans with making Mai his girlfriend, Gohan getting Drunk and being Saiyaman again, Vegeta singing the bingo song, Goku getting slapped by Bulma several times, Pilaf and the gang in general, it was all great, and felt like something Toriyama would write. I like the expanding of the god hierarchy, and the idea of multiple universes. This movie in general did a lot of lore building. I love the designs of not just the gods, but all the characters. Krillin was lookin' hella stylin'. SSJ God and Beerus, in particular though, were spectacular. This music, IMO, was pretty good, I mean how can you say this isn't beautiful:

I also really like that Goku lost for once. You keep saying that this movie was just a retread, but that in particular wasn't. Sure, Goku won in some sense, but he was still overpowered, and the person that overpowered him was only using about 70% of his power, and even then there are stronger people. It leaves not only Goku with a sense of excitement, but the audience as well because so much can built of the concept of multiple universes, as I mentioned previously. The action, while not spectacular was certainly passable, and you cannot tell you me you did not get f***ing pumped when Goku went SSJ and HERO started playing. Freaking goosebumps man. There is a lot I loved about this film, and I think it's a shame when people don't see it that way. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing your opinion or anything, but I think we can all agree we wanted something awesome, I just feel I got that something.
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I feel like this is getting slightly off-topic. Could you guys wrap it up and get back to topic? :)

Sure thing. I think I got my point across, and I really don't need to be sitting here all night arguing about Battle of Gods.
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Mod said to stop BTW. But I wanted something "decent". Couldt get that either. Also Goku lost to Cell and Boo.
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Jul 16 2014, 02:22 AM
Mod said to stop BTW.
He was already typing as I wrote that. He's excused.

Btw, since you didn't get what you wanted from BoG, your expectations for the next installment should be lower, no?
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Men. I'm open minded. I'm just hype for new Amv clips. Other than that I'll watch it and pretend BoG didn't ruin expectations. After all Toriyama editor approved of it.
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Jul 16 2014, 02:22 AM
Mod said to stop BTW. But I wanted something "decent". Couldt get that either. Also Goku lost to Cell and Boo.
Not exactly. It was never Goku's intention to beat Cell, and he never lost to Buu. He was killed by Raditz, but he also killed in the process by keeping him locked down. He hasn't really lost anything since Dragon Ball. Still though, to avoid Mod frustration, I'll try to keep on topic with this reply, are you hyped for this new film? Toriyama's editor is even pleased with it so far, and Toriyama promised a lot more action.
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My post aboved explained my "hype". I'm only hype for new AMC clips. He did lose to Ginyu. Though a bit controversially. Same with 19. Hopefully he won't be the one who saves the Earth this movie like he dies every single arc.
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Well, Vegeta is supposed to be the main character this time around, assuming Toriyama keeps to his word.
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