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| + Pyrus | Nov 19 2014, 10:02 AM Post #601 |
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Maybe you're right. These days Goku probably encourages the usage of those devil items to ring him up a strong challenger, safety be damned! |
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| superperfectnerd | Nov 19 2014, 10:05 AM Post #602 |
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The truth of the mater is we don't even know how Freeza is going to be used yet. The only thing that concerns me is the representation of Freeza's power compared to the saiyans. I can imagine Toryama forgetting just how ridiculously more powerful than Freeza they should already be. I'm not concerned as to how Freeza closes the gap, just that the gap was big enough to begin with. As for a returning villain, I like it simply because it evens the playing field somewhat. How many times have the heroes been wished back? Goku has technically had the 'book closed' on him twice and yet he returns to thwart the next evil. That puts evil at an unfair disadvantage. That's one o the things I dislike about DragonBall, the fact that death is now inconsequential thanks to two sets of DragonBalls some of which can revive those who were already revived before. That's a part of DragonBall now though unfortunately but at least if villains are capable of using it too it gives the DagonBalls some actual drawbacks. |
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| Hot Cakes | Nov 19 2014, 10:19 AM Post #603 |
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A character simply dying doesn't mean the book is closed on them. For their book to be closed, they need a definite conclusion. Goku's first death wasn't one at all because it was made clear right away he was gonna train in the Other World and come back to life later on. Goku's second death would have worked as a definite conclusion as he had chosen to stay dead in order to keep the Earth safe, but they ended up bringing him back, which is also crap writing. It sucked when they brought back Goku after giving him a perfect conclusion and it sucks that they're bringing back Freeza after having given him a perfect conclusion long ago. |
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| superperfectnerd | Nov 19 2014, 10:47 AM Post #604 |
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There's a lot of potential great moments to be had with Freeza. I don't think his end was that satisfying. |
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| Hot Cakes | Nov 19 2014, 10:52 AM Post #605 |
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Freeza's end was very satisfying. The destroyer of the Saiyans was killed by a Super Saiyan. To be honest, his defeat on Namek should have been the end of the character; bringing him back as a means to hype up Trunks and the Androids was pretty cheap and unnecessary. Freeza is just old news. He should stay in the past. You can't even take him seriously as a villain at this point; everyone should be much stronger than him and he's been ridiculed several times in the anime. Suddenly bringing him back and giving him some BS power boost just to make him a threat is just silly. Edited by Hot Cakes, Nov 19 2014, 10:55 AM.
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| superperfectnerd | Nov 19 2014, 11:28 AM Post #606 |
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Toryama had nothing to do with those scenes and in the manga it's evident that Trunks cleaned his clock before he even got the chance to go all out. If Toryama wants to bring him back in a more flattering light then it seems fair to me. Are you telling me that after all this time you aren't excited to see Krillin's reaction to the guy who impaled him and blew him up from the inside? Vegeta's reaction to his childhood tormentor? Freeza's reaction to a kid version of the man who killed him? There's potential for some great scenes there, so stop being such a downer. If it was some other character turning up related to the PTO or some entire new threat, then the feeling of nostalgia and personal connection would be gone. Not once has an old villain come back to be the main threat in DragonBall, not one time. Surely you're demand for a new random t*** to come along to annoy the Z fighters can be argued as a stale idea? Fiction always has returning villains. Look at the rouge gallery for any character and you'll see there aren't many new entries very often. That's because it's actually difficult to write a convincing, interesting and menacing villain every time. Freeza has all those qualities. |
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| + Emmeth | Nov 19 2014, 11:45 AM Post #607 |
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@Hot Cakes Your arguments are getting old. It's just an anime, mate. It's not gonna be some super masterpiece no matter what they come up with. Sit back and keep your negativity for yourself. |
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| + Pointer | Nov 19 2014, 11:48 AM Post #608 |
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it is not about negativity it is just a fair opinion personally I share the same I think bringing back frieza with a movie 4 doppelganger story is pretty cheap Unless they really write a damn fine script I dont expect anything |
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| + Pyrus | Nov 19 2014, 12:02 PM Post #609 |
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I thought the message was clear that it wouldn't have mattered whether Freeza went all-out or not. Trunks was his firm superior. The androids needed to be hyped up, and Freeza was the fall guy. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Nov 19 2014, 12:08 PM Post #610 |
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@pointer it is a fair opinion the first time or the 2nd and not 5 pages over and over again thats excessive anyways to early to tell whats what but seems aight so far |
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| superperfectnerd | Nov 19 2014, 12:16 PM Post #611 |
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Sort of but maybe he wouldn't have been annihilated so easily if he had the chance to go all out. Plus I thought the message was equally that Trunks doesn't mess around, he does what needs to be done unlike Goku and his father. Even with that attitude he can't beat the androids. Trunks came from a dark future and had absolutely no qualms about killing Freeza, someone Goku had given a second chance. that's why it worked well that it was Freeza, to highlight how different Trunks was. |
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| Hot Cakes | Nov 19 2014, 01:04 PM Post #612 |
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Trunks would have killed Freeza in one go regardless of whether or not Freeza was at full power. No, I'm not excited to see Freeza come back. Those potential scenes you mention aren't exciting. The feeling of nostalgia and personal connection wouldn't be gone if it was a new character related to the PTO; the villain could have been another member of Freeza's race and there would still be those feelings. Old villains have come back once before in Dragonball. Pilaf's gang returned multiple times. Piccolo is the reincarnation of King Piccolo, so King Piccolo came back once Piccolo came along. Freeza came back mechanical after his defeat on Namek. We don't have to get another new big villain, but that doesn't mean there had to be Freeza again. I wouldn't have minded it if Goku got possessed or something. It doesn't matter if writing a good villain is "difficult"; incompetence shouldn't affect the quality of a story.
So I can't express my opinion now? :/ Edited by Hot Cakes, Nov 19 2014, 01:05 PM.
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| superperfectnerd | Nov 19 2014, 01:19 PM Post #613 |
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You have no idea how easily Trunks would have won. Like I said, it was his attitude that was important. Another member of Freeza's race would not have any connection to the Z fighters other than, "yeah I knew Freeza". That's so boring. It'd be like a random saiyan coming along and replacing Goku because he happened to know Bardock. It wouldn't mean he has any interesting connection to the cast or story. None of those returns were as the main threat and in the same form. Piccolo jr isn't King Piccolo. This will be the first time EVER an already vanquished villain has returned to be the main threat. So technically it's an exciting new direction. We've never seen a villains reaction to having actually been killed before. It's as if you've never watched/read any fiction with a recurring villain. Sometimes villains are brought back after years of absence and often to welcome reception when handled well. I don't see why you need to make such sweeping judgements just because you don't like anything after the Cell saga. If that's true then why are you still watching the new movies? I do agree that seeing an evil Goku would be cool and who says it won't happen? This film is 2 hours long, it's not just gonna be 120 minutes of Freeza mocking you with his relevance.
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| Hot Cakes | Nov 19 2014, 01:22 PM Post #614 |
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Mecha Freeza is Freeza, just with some robotic parts. He and King Cold were the main threat until Trunks killed them. So bringing back old villains has been done before |
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| + Pyrus | Nov 19 2014, 01:23 PM Post #615 |
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Neither do you, so it'd be your burden to prove, hun.
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