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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,358 Views)
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So, essentially, you're saying 1 minor difference assumes the concepts are not the same? That is truly grasping at straws, beyond that, what's wrong with execution? Seriously, I don't understand what's "bad" about reviving a character and making him stronger.
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It's not a minor difference, brah. Not many people go by your logic; most people wouldn't agree with you on this. The flaw in reviving villains is that they've already been used before, so it feels stale.

And if Freeza coming back is the same thing as the Red Ribbon Army coming back, then that adds to my point: bringing back an old villain had already been done before, so doing it again feels stale.
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Nov 19 2014, 03:16 AM
It's not a minor difference, brah. Not many people go by your logic; most people wouldn't agree with you on this. The flaw in reviving villains is that they've already been used before, so it feels stale.
Most people don't agree with me? I don't know where you're getting that from. Remnants of an old enemy seek revenge in both cases. The process by which these groups seek revenge is certainly different, but then, that's the only difference so I would indeed go as far as to say it's minor. Whether the characters be old or new, the experience each brings to the table will be new, I can almost guarantee that. We really know nothing about the film, so it's certainly too soon to declare the idea stale, especially since we haven't seen Freeza in material connected to the manga since the Freeza arc ended.
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Nov 19 2014, 03:28 AM
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It's not a minor difference, brah. Not many people go by your logic; most people wouldn't agree with you on this. The flaw in reviving villains is that they've already been used before, so it feels stale.
Most people don't agree with me? I don't know where you're getting that from. Remnants of an old enemy seek revenge in both cases. The process by which these groups seek revenge is certainly different, but then, that's the only difference so I would indeed go as far as to say it's minor.
By your logic, you could just say every villain in the series is the same thing just because they're villains.
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It's not a minor difference, brah. Not many people go by your logic; most people wouldn't agree with you on this. The flaw in reviving villains is that they've already been used before, so it feels stale.
Most people don't agree with me? I don't know where you're getting that from. Remnants of an old enemy seek revenge in both cases. The process by which these groups seek revenge is certainly different, but then, that's the only difference so I would indeed go as far as to say it's minor.
By your logic, you could just say every villain in the series is the same thing just because they're villains.
No, that does not adhere to my reasoning in the slightest.
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Nov 19 2014, 03:16 AM
It's not a minor difference, brah. Not many people go by your logic; most people wouldn't agree with you on this. The flaw in reviving villains is that they've already been used before, so it feels stale.
Most people don't agree with me? I don't know where you're getting that from. Remnants of an old enemy seek revenge in both cases. The process by which these groups seek revenge is certainly different, but then, that's the only difference so I would indeed go as far as to say it's minor.
By your logic, you could just say every villain in the series is the same thing just because they're villains.
No, that does not adhere to my reasoning in the slightest.
Well, you're saying the Red Ribbon Army returning is the same thing as Freeza coming back due to a few minor differences, so it's almost the same logic.
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It's not a minor difference, brah. Not many people go by your logic; most people wouldn't agree with you on this. The flaw in reviving villains is that they've already been used before, so it feels stale.
Most people don't agree with me? I don't know where you're getting that from. Remnants of an old enemy seek revenge in both cases. The process by which these groups seek revenge is certainly different, but then, that's the only difference so I would indeed go as far as to say it's minor.
By your logic, you could just say every villain in the series is the same thing just because they're villains.
No, that does not adhere to my reasoning in the slightest.
Well, you're saying the Red Ribbon Army returning is the same thing as Freeza coming back due to a few minor differences, so it's almost the same logic.
Not really. The only difference between both concepts is the means by which power is attained. The differences between villains are far more abundant.
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It's not a minor difference, brah. Not many people go by your logic; most people wouldn't agree with you on this. The flaw in reviving villains is that they've already been used before, so it feels stale.
Most people don't agree with me? I don't know where you're getting that from. Remnants of an old enemy seek revenge in both cases. The process by which these groups seek revenge is certainly different, but then, that's the only difference so I would indeed go as far as to say it's minor.
By your logic, you could just say every villain in the series is the same thing just because they're villains.
No, that does not adhere to my reasoning in the slightest.
Well, you're saying the Red Ribbon Army returning is the same thing as Freeza coming back due to a few minor differences, so it's almost the same logic.
Not really. The only difference between both concepts is the means by which power is attained. The differences between villains are far more abundant.
And the differences between the Red Ribbon Army and Freeza are abundant.

I'm done man. Bringing back the Red Ribbon Army is not the same thing as bringing back Freeza. So long.
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Ruh-oh, he's got the 4-star ball. Goku's gonna lose his s***!
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Oh, and is it just me? Or is the plot just extremely unoriginal, you know?

>Bad guys come to Earth in search of the Dragonballs.

Hasn't this been done to death already? This whole thing just screams out Lord Slug all over again. :/
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It's not a minor difference, brah. Not many people go by your logic; most people wouldn't agree with you on this. The flaw in reviving villains is that they've already been used before, so it feels stale.

And if Freeza coming back is the same thing as the Red Ribbon Army coming back, then that adds to my point: bringing back an old villain had already been done before, so doing it again feels stale.


Freeza is an interesting villain who is already developed. Plenty of shows have recurring villains because you become more connected to the character, who cares if they haven't been around for a while? I'd rather see a character who is intimately connected to the cast. He ruled the universe, destroyed the saiyans, wiped out the Namekians, killed Vegeta and Krillin and contributed to Cell's power and diversity. By your logic of not wanting to see returning characters, we should be getting a new main cast with each new movie. "Forget Goku and Vegeta! I want to see how Geoff and Steve deal with this threat!"
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I don't have a problem with old villains simply coming back, but only if there's a good reason behind it. The Red Ribbon Army coming back was reasonable because even though Goku had defeated them, it wasn't far fetched at all for there to still be a few remnants of them. They're an entire organization; it made sense for there to be survivors. Pilaf's gang coming back was reasonable because since they were still alive, it wasn't far fetched for them to still be up to trouble. Basically, the stories to the Red Ribbon Army and Pilaf hadn't been given definite conclusions. Freeza, on the other hand, had been given a definite conclusion once Trunks killed him. That should have closed the book on him, so bringing him back is unnecessary.

Bringing back the Planet Trade Organization is fine because they hadn't been given a definite conclusion; we never found out what became of them after Freeza and King Cold's deaths. But Freeza had been a given a definite conclusion, so bringing him back is unnecessary. That's like bringing back Cell. King Piccolo. General Black. It's redundant.
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Nov 19 2014, 07:23 AM
Oh, and is it just me? Or is the plot just extremely unoriginal, you know?

>Bad guys come to Earth in search of the Dragonballs.

Hasn't this been done to death already? This whole thing just screams out Lord Slug all over again. :/
Asking for a bit much, aren't you? It's DBZ, we're not going to get some Deathnote level plot in a 2 hour film.
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Nov 19 2014, 06:13 AM
Ruh-oh, he's got the 4-star ball. Goku's gonna lose his s***!
Old Goku would have, new Goku was probably the one who gave him the ball.
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