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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,359 Views)
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Was Freeza such a great guy that the remnants of his army would want to revive him?
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They're bringing back Frieza.

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What the f***, Toriyama?


What... is Frieza gonna get a "God" power up?
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Nov 18 2014, 08:36 PM
Was Freeza such a great guy that the remnants of his army would want to revive him?
I don't know, some of Freeza's higher ranking men were living it pretty well, especially the Ginyu Force. I would assume Sorbet and Tagoma are expecting to be rewarded for their efforts.
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Nov 18 2014, 09:00 PM
They're bringing back Frieza.

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What the f***, Toriyama?


What... is Frieza gonna get a "God" power up?
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The problem here isn't Freeza being revived, because he surely was a great character.
The problem here is Freeza being revived, and somehow probably (seen his "god-like" red aura on the poster) given a hilarious, nonsensical plot power-up which makes him a threat again.
Given that we almost don't know anything else, there's still the chance (or, to use a better word, the hope) of Freeza being revived AND the movie still having a great plot, but if contrariwise there's really going to be a "Ssj God Freeza" with the usual, simpleton DBZ kind of plot (i.e. Freeza shows up, it is discovered that his race has the abilty to create "gods" as well, so he obtains this ass-pulled power-up and he fights Goku/Vegeta, while everyone else gets relegated to an insignificant role once again (including Gohan, who, by the way, besides the BS God power-up, should be way stronger than both Goku and Vegeta anyway)), this movie will really be the quintessence, the epitome, the embodiment of the word BULLs***.
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One angle to it all is this theory:

Freeza is revived by some minions, it peaks Beerus interest and he decides to contact Freeza on Earth. Beerus tells him that he's going to retire as God of Destruction and wants Freeza as his successor. Thus they start a ritual, much like Elder Kai's ritual on Gohan, and Freeza gets a huge boost to take Beerus' place.
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I really don't see why "God Freeza" is such an ass-pull of an idea. I mean, even the Earthlings have a god, so why can't a Frost Demon? Beyond that, the entire Freeza arc itself was the epitome of the word, bloated scaling. I mean Goku gets 33 times stronger just by chillin' in a tank of Saiyajin DNA!
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why are you people so hung up on how frieza gets this power up and thats the reason your upset.... its dbz people.. it never had a good plot to begin with.

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He could have just been made god of destruction in another universe. The movie is supposed to be based on different universes anyway isn't it?

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Somebody posted a theory video I can't be bothered to look back through the pages but their theory was that after Beerus failure/reluctance to destroy the threat to the Gods power that is the saiyans on Earth, Freeza will wish to meet the other Gods, inform them of Beerus' lack of foresight and his own eagerness to destroy the saiyans. Beerus' power will be taken and Freeza will be made the God of Destruction, perhaps, for whatever reason a stronger one than Beerus was. He could be given more godly power by some master God or something.

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I really don't see why "God Freeza" is such an ass-pull of an idea. I mean, even the Earthlings have a god, so why can't a Frost Demon? Beyond that, the entire Freeza arc itself was the epitome of the word, bloated scaling. I mean Goku gets 33 times stronger just by chillin' in a tank of Saiyajin DNA!


My theory for this was that Goku's body was used to higher levels of power thanks to Kaioken. Therefore when he got his zenkai boost it took him beyond 900 000 and not just beyond his normal base of 90 000.
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Nov 18 2014, 11:58 PM
He could have just been made god of destruction in another universe. The movie is supposed to be based on different universes anyway isn't it?
One of the taglines for the film is this:
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全宇宙待望。神次元バトル、開戦。 The Whole Universe Has Been Waiting. A Godly Dimension of Battle Begins.

So we might see the other 11 universes.
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I think I would simply rather see a different (but related) character... like how Cell was ultimately tied in with the RRA...

Remnants of the PTO I'm absolutely fine with (and damn well support) but bringing back a [twice] defeated villain and forcing some powerup onto him (or power restrictions on main characters) just doesn't sit well with me (even though I like Freeza).

It almost feels like the idea was to give the fans what they wanted... but just because Freeza's likely the most popular villain in the series does not necessarily mean people wish to see him used again.
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I think I would simply rather see a different (but related) character... like how Cell was ultimately tied in with the RRA...

Remnants of the PTO I'm absolutely fine with (and damn well support) but bringing back a [twice] defeated villain and forcing some powerup onto him (or power restrictions on main characters) just doesn't sit well with me (even though I like Freeza).

It almost feels like the idea was to give the fans what they wanted... but just because Freeza's likely the most popular villain in the series does not necessarily mean people wish to see him used again.
I'd rather see a villain who has direct links to the Z-senshi than another random God. What other character could have a link to something in the Z-verse? Freeza has the PTO and Cell has the RRA, but unless you wanted to bring in a relative of a previous villain or something, Freeza is as good as anyone
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I think I would simply rather see a different (but related) character... like how Cell was ultimately tied in with the RRA...

Remnants of the PTO I'm absolutely fine with (and damn well support) but bringing back a [twice] defeated villain and forcing some powerup onto him (or power restrictions on main characters) just doesn't sit well with me (even though I like Freeza).

It almost feels like the idea was to give the fans what they wanted... but just because Freeza's likely the most popular villain in the series does not necessarily mean people wish to see him used again.
I'd rather see a villain who has direct links to the Z-senshi than another random God. What other character could have a link to something in the Z-verse? Freeza has the PTO and Cell has the RRA, but unless you wanted to bring in a relative of a previous villain or something, Freeza is as good as anyone
Cell and Freeza's situations aren't really comparable.... as they're almost the opposite in this case.

But if they were going to use the PTO, I'd rather they had introduced new characters that had their situations changed as a direct result Freeza's death (either positively or negatively). For example, something as shallow as the Bojack movie... except in this case it would be the death of a tyrant as opposed to the destruction of a planet and as such could have a delayed effect... could be well written and utilized.

As for relatives... I'd rather avoid them at all costs if they've never been mentioned or hinted at in the past.
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How is it superficial? It's the exact same concept. Enemy considered irrelevant, as far as strength goes, resurfaces stronger than ever. Your grasping at straws bud.
The Red Ribbon Army came back with entirely different Androids. Freeza is just coming back to life stronger. It's not the same thing. The Planet Trade Organization returning is more comparable to the Red Ribbon Army than Freeza.
Now these right here are superficial differences. You're reaching, trying to find differences between the concept, no matter how small. The Red Ribbon army is an old enemy, which was destroyed. A remnant of the army, Dr. Gero, vows revenge, so he finds way to increase the might of the red ribbon army through machines. As a result, an old enemy became a threat. In this case, Freeza is an old enemy who was destroyed. remnants of Freeza's army vow revenge against the people who killed Freeza, so they find a way to increase the might of their forces by reviving someone who would put the odds in their favor. It's really the same concept, with a different means of attaining power.
Dr. Gero = Sorbet and Tagoma
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I'm not "reaching" for the differences. The concepts aren't the same. Similar, perhaps, but not the same. It looks to me you're just reaching, trying to find similarities between the concept, no matter how small. Furthermore, even if the basic ideas are the same, that isn't the problem here. The problem has to do with the EXECUTION: no old characters were brought back in the Androids saga whereas an old character is primarily being featured in this movie.

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The Red Ribbon army is an old enemy, which was destroyed. A remnant of the army, Dr. Gero, vows revenge, so he finds way to increase the might of the red ribbon army through machines. As a result, an old enemy became a threat.


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In this case, Freeza is an old enemy who was destroyed. remnants of Freeza's army vow revenge against the people who killed Freeza, so they find a way to increase the might of their forces by reviving someone who would put the odds in their favor.


And this is where your logic falls flat. The remnants of the Red Ribbon Army found a way to increase their might through NEW characters (17, 18, 19 and Cell). The remnants of Freeza's army in this movie are finding a way to increase their might through an OLD character (Freeza). Sorbet and Tagoma are comparable to Dr. Gero, but 17, 18, 19 and Cell can't be compared to Freeza because they hadn't been used before whereas Freeza had been used before. That's a big enough difference. If Sorbet and Tagoma were finding a way to increase their might with NEW characters (for an example, let's say Freeza had a son who Sorbet and Tagoma teamed up with) THEN comparisons to the Androids arc could be made. But no, they're finding a way to increase their might through an old character like Freeza. It's not the same thing.
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