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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
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A character doesn't have to be alive to be relevant. After he died, he was mentioned by Tenshinhan, Cell, Kaioshin, Vegeta, Tarble and Bills. In fact, Bills made a huge deal out of him.
Oh, you gotta be kidding me. For the GAZILLIONTH time ...

A CHARACTER DOES NOT BECOME RELEVANT JUST BY BEING RELEVANT.

K now im out
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What are you saying here?
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Nov 18 2014, 04:32 PM
Lol why are people getting their nipples in a twist? We hardly know anything about the movie.

I like Freeza, so I'm happy to see him get some more screen time.

FUNimation, when you dub the movie. For the love of God, don't bring back Young.
I get my nipples in a twist because it feels good.

Is that a good enough answer?
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A character doesn't have to be alive to be relevant. After he died, he was mentioned by Tenshinhan, Cell, Kaioshin, Vegeta, Tarble and Bills. In fact, Bills made a huge deal out of him.
Oh, you gotta be kidding me. For the GAZILLIONTH time ...

A CHARACTER DOES NOT BECOME RELEVANT JUST BY BEING RELEVANT.

K now im out
...

What are you saying here?
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I meant, a character does not become relevant just by being mentioned.
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A character doesn't have to be alive to be relevant. After he died, he was mentioned by Tenshinhan, Cell, Kaioshin, Vegeta, Tarble and Bills. In fact, Bills made a huge deal out of him.
Oh, you gotta be kidding me. For the GAZILLIONTH time ...

A CHARACTER DOES NOT BECOME RELEVANT JUST BY BEING RELEVANT.

K now im out
...

What are you saying here?
Whoops.

I meant, a character does not become relevant just by being mentioned.
But Freeza was just mentioned in Battle of Gods, he is relevant now.
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A character doesn't have to be alive to be relevant. After he died, he was mentioned by Tenshinhan, Cell, Kaioshin, Vegeta, Tarble and Bills. In fact, Bills made a huge deal out of him.
Oh, you gotta be kidding me. For the GAZILLIONTH time ...

A CHARACTER DOES NOT BECOME RELEVANT JUST BY BEING RELEVANT.

K now im out
...

What are you saying here?
Whoops.

I meant, a character does not become relevant just by being mentioned.
But Freeza was just mentioned in Battle of Gods, he is relevant now.
...

I JUST said a character does not become relevant simply by being mentioned. It doesn't matter if Freeza was mentioned in Battle of Gods. That doesn't mean he became relevant then.
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Freeza was just mentioned though, he must be relevant.
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A character doesn't have to be alive to be relevant. After he died, he was mentioned by Tenshinhan, Cell, Kaioshin, Vegeta, Tarble and Bills. In fact, Bills made a huge deal out of him.
Oh, you gotta be kidding me. For the GAZILLIONTH time ...

A CHARACTER DOES NOT BECOME RELEVANT JUST BY BEING RELEVANT.

K now im out
...

What are you saying here?
Whoops.

I meant, a character does not become relevant just by being mentioned.
But Freeza was just mentioned in Battle of Gods, he is relevant now.
...

I JUST said a character does not become relevant simply by being mentioned. It doesn't matter if Freeza was mentioned in Battle of Gods. That doesn't mean he became relevant then.
How do they become relevant? At what point does a relevant character become irrelevant? Freeza has remnants of his army show up in Yo! and it was revealed that he has some sort of connection with Beerus and SSJG in the most recent film. Doesn't that fit the criteria for being relevant? Otherwise, you'd have to argue that You know who from Harry Potter is irrelevant because he'd been pretty much dead for over 10 years.
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The Red Ribbon Army was also 'dead' and the story had moved way past it before the android saga.
The Red Ribbon Army doesn't refer to just one character. No villains that had been irrelevant for a long time were brought back in the Androids saga.
Except for the brains of the Red Ribbon army, Dr. Gero, and you're missing the point. The red ribbon army may not be one person, but it's an old enemy that hasn't been seen for years. The general idea is exactly the same, and you're really reaching by saying it isn't.
Dr. Gero hadn't appeared at all in Dragonball. He was introduced for the first time in the Androids saga.

The Red Ribbon Army returning isn't the same thing as Freeza coming back. Saying that it is the same thing is just superficial. The fact that the Red Ribbon Army doesn't refer to just one character creates big enough of a difference. An organization being wiped out isn't the same thing as a character being killed off. It was reasonable for the Army to come back; Goku may have destroyed most of them as a kid, but it isn't far fetched at all that there would still be a few survivors. Freeza, on the other hand, had been utterly and completely destroyed. The book had been closed on him once Trunks killed him. He was left as dead for years. A character dying isn't the same thing as an organization simply being taken down. A better comparison to the Red Ribbon Army's return would be the Planet Trade Organization coming back. I'd have no problem with the Planet Trade Organization returning. It's not like we were even shown what happened to them after Freeza and King Cold died, so it isn't far fetched to think they would still be around.

There isn't anything wrong old villains simply coming back. It just depends on the circumstances. Bringing back characters like Tao Pai Pai, Master Shen and Pilaf's army wouldn't be a bad idea; they are presumably still alive, so it wouldn't be far fetched for them to start trouble again. Freeza, on the other hand, has been dead for ages. It's not the same thing.

But anyway, peace out.
How is it superficial? It's the exact same concept. Enemy considered irrelevant, as far as strength goes, resurfaces stronger than ever. Your grasping at straws bud.
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Holy christ. Freeza being relevant isn't relevant. It's relevant that he's the new movie, regardless of how many times he has been mentioned in the past.
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The Red Ribbon Army was also 'dead' and the story had moved way past it before the android saga.
The Red Ribbon Army doesn't refer to just one character. No villains that had been irrelevant for a long time were brought back in the Androids saga.
Except for the brains of the Red Ribbon army, Dr. Gero, and you're missing the point. The red ribbon army may not be one person, but it's an old enemy that hasn't been seen for years. The general idea is exactly the same, and you're really reaching by saying it isn't.
Dr. Gero hadn't appeared at all in Dragonball. He was introduced for the first time in the Androids saga.

The Red Ribbon Army returning isn't the same thing as Freeza coming back. Saying that it is the same thing is just superficial. The fact that the Red Ribbon Army doesn't refer to just one character creates big enough of a difference. An organization being wiped out isn't the same thing as a character being killed off. It was reasonable for the Army to come back; Goku may have destroyed most of them as a kid, but it isn't far fetched at all that there would still be a few survivors. Freeza, on the other hand, had been utterly and completely destroyed. The book had been closed on him once Trunks killed him. He was left as dead for years. A character dying isn't the same thing as an organization simply being taken down. A better comparison to the Red Ribbon Army's return would be the Planet Trade Organization coming back. I'd have no problem with the Planet Trade Organization returning. It's not like we were even shown what happened to them after Freeza and King Cold died, so it isn't far fetched to think they would still be around.

There isn't anything wrong old villains simply coming back. It just depends on the circumstances. Bringing back characters like Tao Pai Pai, Master Shen and Pilaf's army wouldn't be a bad idea; they are presumably still alive, so it wouldn't be far fetched for them to start trouble again. Freeza, on the other hand, has been dead for ages. It's not the same thing.

But anyway, peace out.
How is it superficial? It's the exact same concept. Enemy considered irrelevant, as far as strength goes, resurfaces stronger than ever. Your grasping at straws bud.
The Red Ribbon Army came back with entirely different Androids. Freeza is just coming back to life stronger. It's not the same thing. The Planet Trade Organization returning is more comparable to the Red Ribbon Army than Freeza.

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How do they become relevant? At what point does a relevant character become irrelevant? Freeza has remnants of his army show up in Yo! and it was revealed that he has some sort of connection with Beerus and SSJG in the most recent film. Doesn't that fit the criteria for being relevant? Otherwise, you'd have to argue that You know who from Harry Potter is irrelevant because he'd been pretty much dead for over 10 years.


Were you even paying attention to earlier parts of this discussion? I said earlier that a character's relevancy is determined by how much of a role they play in the plot.
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Before it gets out of hand again:

People, remember to stay polite and leveled during discussions like this. There's no need to get agitated by a movie we know almost nothing about. Speculation like this only serves to ruin it for everybody, so let's just wait until we know more about the plot.

Don't try to influence others to like or dislike it, because that's no way to discuss. If you don't like the information and has decided to not like the movie this far in advance, be my guest, but don't ruin the thread for everybody else.

Now let me eat in peace!
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The word relevant has been used too many times here.

Freeza is now relevant because he was relevant in the past so he can be relevant again and it doesn't contradict how he was relevant in Battle of Gods or the Boo arc when Kaioshin brought up his relevancy proving that Toriyama thinks he is still relevant as does the fan base.

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The Red Ribbon Army was also 'dead' and the story had moved way past it before the android saga.
The Red Ribbon Army doesn't refer to just one character. No villains that had been irrelevant for a long time were brought back in the Androids saga.
Except for the brains of the Red Ribbon army, Dr. Gero, and you're missing the point. The red ribbon army may not be one person, but it's an old enemy that hasn't been seen for years. The general idea is exactly the same, and you're really reaching by saying it isn't.
Dr. Gero hadn't appeared at all in Dragonball. He was introduced for the first time in the Androids saga.

The Red Ribbon Army returning isn't the same thing as Freeza coming back. Saying that it is the same thing is just superficial. The fact that the Red Ribbon Army doesn't refer to just one character creates big enough of a difference. An organization being wiped out isn't the same thing as a character being killed off. It was reasonable for the Army to come back; Goku may have destroyed most of them as a kid, but it isn't far fetched at all that there would still be a few survivors. Freeza, on the other hand, had been utterly and completely destroyed. The book had been closed on him once Trunks killed him. He was left as dead for years. A character dying isn't the same thing as an organization simply being taken down. A better comparison to the Red Ribbon Army's return would be the Planet Trade Organization coming back. I'd have no problem with the Planet Trade Organization returning. It's not like we were even shown what happened to them after Freeza and King Cold died, so it isn't far fetched to think they would still be around.

There isn't anything wrong old villains simply coming back. It just depends on the circumstances. Bringing back characters like Tao Pai Pai, Master Shen and Pilaf's army wouldn't be a bad idea; they are presumably still alive, so it wouldn't be far fetched for them to start trouble again. Freeza, on the other hand, has been dead for ages. It's not the same thing.

But anyway, peace out.
How is it superficial? It's the exact same concept. Enemy considered irrelevant, as far as strength goes, resurfaces stronger than ever. Your grasping at straws bud.
The Red Ribbon Army came back with entirely different Androids. Freeza is just coming back to life stronger. It's not the same thing. The Planet Trade Organization returning is more comparable to the Red Ribbon Army than Freeza.

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How do they become relevant? At what point does a relevant character become irrelevant? Freeza has remnants of his army show up in Yo! and it was revealed that he has some sort of connection with Beerus and SSJG in the most recent film. Doesn't that fit the criteria for being relevant? Otherwise, you'd have to argue that You know who from Harry Potter is irrelevant because he'd been pretty much dead for over 10 years.


Were you even paying attention to earlier parts of this discussion? I said earlier that a character's relevancy is determined by how much of a role they play in the plot.
That's what you said, yes, but that's only your opinion of what being relevant is. I'm of the opinion that relevance is equatable to how much presence a character has in the series.
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That's what you said, yes, but that's only your opinion of what being relevant is. I'm of the opinion that relevance is equatable to how much presence a character has in the series.
This, pretty much. It's not like this hasn't been done before in other animes or even TV-series.
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How is it superficial? It's the exact same concept. Enemy considered irrelevant, as far as strength goes, resurfaces stronger than ever. Your grasping at straws bud.
The Red Ribbon Army came back with entirely different Androids. Freeza is just coming back to life stronger. It's not the same thing. The Planet Trade Organization returning is more comparable to the Red Ribbon Army than Freeza.
Now these right here are superficial differences. You're reaching, trying to find differences between the concept, no matter how small. The Red Ribbon army is an old enemy, which was destroyed. A remnant of the army, Dr. Gero, vows revenge, so he finds way to increase the might of the red ribbon army through machines. As a result, an old enemy became a threat. In this case, Freeza is an old enemy who was destroyed. remnants of Freeza's army vow revenge against the people who killed Freeza, so they find a way to increase the might of their forces by reviving someone who would put the odds in their favor. It's really the same concept, with a different means of attaining power.
Dr. Gero = Sorbet and Tagoma
Artificial Humans = Freeza
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