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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,361 Views)
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Who hasn't been dead for over a year at this point?


The only person to have been revived after being dead for more than a year was Goku. That was also crap writing, but the reason for it made sense: Old Kai gave him his life. Freeza, on the other hand, is being brought back with the Dragonballs, which shouldn't be possible.

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Or Freeza is a bigger deal than you think :O. No his time is not over, this movie is proof of that. You can be cynical about this if you want, but people are allowed to be stoked at the prospect of Freeza returning.


That's not my point. Freeza's time WAS over ... until this movie needlessly brought it back. Really, I'll leave it at this:

>Freeza is a character who has been dead, outclassed and completely absent from the story for years. The series had long since moved on from him, so bringing back him comes off as forced, random and unnecessary. Bringing him back with the Dragonballs shouldn't even possible, because the Dragonballs can't revive beings who have been dead for more than a year. Quite simply put, this is crap writing.

Peace out.
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The Red Ribbon Army was also 'dead' and the story had moved way past it before the android saga.
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Can someone please find the quote where "Shenlong can't bring back people who has been dead for more than a year"? I don't remember reading it in the manga.

Good old Google and good old VegettoEX had an answer for me:

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This kind of wish is where a lot of misconceptions come from.

It seems that with the Shenlong we first see as created by the God of Earth, you can indeed wish back a large number of people. However, God specifically says:

"Why do you ask? Are you intending to bring back to life all the aliens killed in the past by Vegeta and co.? That should be possible too of course, but it would only be effective for those who died within one year."

Yeah, you can bring a whole bunch of people back, but it's going to be restricted to those who died within the last year. The common interpretation from here when you extrapolate that all out is that you can probably bring someone back to life if they died longer than a year ago, but your wish is going to need to be more specific and more focused than something so grand like the big one there.

A lot of people generally say that one of the rules is that you can't bring someone back if they've been dead longer than a year, but - as you can see - that's never explicitly stated.


source: http://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/24vfi3/when_kami_sp_summons_shenron_and_wishes_back/
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I believe the 1 year rule only applied to wishing multiple people back at once. And it was Kami's dragon, not Dende's anyway.
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Nov 18 2014, 03:15 PM
I believe the 1 year rule only applied to wishing multiple people back at once. And it was Kami's dragon, not Dende's anyway.
Good point, Dende's dragon may have bypassed that rule.
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So either way, the one year wish limit doesn't exist for one person. Bringing Freeza back would be no contradiction.
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Nov 18 2014, 03:12 PM
The Red Ribbon Army was also 'dead' and the story had moved way past it before the android saga.
The Red Ribbon Army doesn't refer to just one character. No villains that had been irrelevant for a long time were brought back in the Androids saga.
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I still think we had lots to learn about Freeza and his background. That's more than reason enough to bring him back.
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The Red Ribbon Army was also 'dead' and the story had moved way past it before the android saga.
The Red Ribbon Army doesn't refer to just one character. No villains that had been irrelevant for a long time were brought back in the Androids saga.
Except for the brains of the Red Ribbon army, Dr. Gero, and you're missing the point. The red ribbon army may not be one person, but it's an old enemy that hasn't been seen for years. The general idea is exactly the same, and you're really reaching by saying it isn't.
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The Red Ribbon Army was also 'dead' and the story had moved way past it before the android saga.
The Red Ribbon Army doesn't refer to just one character. No villains that had been irrelevant for a long time were brought back in the Androids saga.
Except for the brains of the Red Ribbon army, Dr. Gero, and you're missing the point. The red ribbon army may not be one person, but it's an old enemy that hasn't been seen for years. The general idea is exactly the same, and you're really reaching by saying it isn't.
Dr. Gero hadn't appeared at all in Dragonball. He was introduced for the first time in the Androids saga.

The Red Ribbon Army returning isn't the same thing as Freeza coming back. Saying that it is the same thing is just superficial. The fact that the Red Ribbon Army doesn't refer to just one character creates big enough of a difference. An organization being wiped out isn't the same thing as a character being killed off. It was reasonable for the Army to come back; Goku may have destroyed most of them as a kid, but it isn't far fetched at all that there would still be a few survivors. Freeza, on the other hand, had been utterly and completely destroyed. The book had been closed on him once Trunks killed him. He was left as dead for years. A character dying isn't the same thing as an organization simply being taken down. A better comparison to the Red Ribbon Army's return would be the Planet Trade Organization coming back. I'd have no problem with the Planet Trade Organization returning. It's not like we were even shown what happened to them after Freeza and King Cold died, so it isn't far fetched to think they would still be around.

There isn't anything wrong old villains simply coming back. It just depends on the circumstances. Bringing back characters like Tao Pai Pai, Master Shen and Pilaf's army wouldn't be a bad idea; they are presumably still alive, so it wouldn't be far fetched for them to start trouble again. Freeza, on the other hand, has been dead for ages. It's not the same thing.

But anyway, peace out.
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So much discussion for an entertainment media. It's awesome and ridiculous at the same time how immersed we can get :)
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A character doesn't have to be alive to be relevant. After he died, he was mentioned by Tenshinhan, Cell, Kaioshin, Vegeta, Tarble and Bills. In fact, Bills made a huge deal out of him.
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Lol why are people getting their nipples in a twist? We hardly know anything about the movie.

I like Freeza, so I'm happy to see him get some more screen time.

FUNimation, when you dub the movie. For the love of God, don't bring back Young.
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Nov 18 2014, 04:19 PM
A character doesn't have to be alive to be relevant. After he died, he was mentioned by Tenshinhan, Cell, Kaioshin, Vegeta, Tarble and Bills. In fact, Bills made a huge deal out of him.
Oh, you gotta be kidding me. For the GAZILLIONTH time ...

A CHARACTER DOES NOT BECOME RELEVANT JUST BY BEING MENTIONED.

K now im out
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