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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,362 Views)
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I don't really get this utter despair for a returning villain who has deep connections to the main cast. How many times does Loki return to fight Thor? Brainiac for Superman? Osbourne for Spider-man? How many times do relatively weak characters in comics get a super, temporary power up that makes them a threat to others usually beyond their 'pay grade'? Captain America picked Mjolnir, Spider-man gets the power cosmic, Jean Grey gets Pheonix Force etc etc. Why is it so hard to imagine the possibility of Freeza getting a power up to rival the saiyans once again? All that aside, Freeza may not even be fighting, he may just be the mastermind behind some plot that puts the Z fighters in danger, not an actual physical threat himself....except to Krillin.
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Lmao, Freeza?

Ok, i'll role with it.
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Nov 18 2014, 05:49 AM
Dragon Ball Z is all one giant bull sh** power up. What's one more for arguably the best villain in the series? Honestly, if the Earthlings and Saiyajins can have a god, why can't a Frost Demon?
I think the best villain was Piccolo Daimaio I might be biased though


I think it is totally bulls*** to revive frieza for the next uber villain of the upcoming movie

He can not show us anything. He is boring. The story will be boring too unless they hire a real life badass script writer because if not I dont think it would be anything than a Goku vs bills rematch with proper or not / spirit bomb included/ win in the end.

Frieza was a good villain million times better than pure idiot buu

It is still a shame they wanna put him as the next hyperstrong enemy.

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Nov 18 2014, 05:44 AM
Saying we don't need Freeza is false. There may be people in this world who literally need Freeza to survive. If they don't see him on the screen, they'll die. Stop being selfish.
Were there people who wanted Freeza back? Maybe ... but it would have to be a VERY small minority because there wasn't ANY demand for Freeza to come back. I'm selfish for pointing out this fact? Let's get real; there wasn't anyone asking for Freeza to come back. The series shouldn't cater to just a small group of people.

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Dragon Ball Z is all one giant bull sh** power up. What's one more for arguably the best villain in the series? Honestly, if the Earthlings and Saiyajins can have a god, why can't a Frost Demon?


The problem isn't that it's a BS powerup. It's that it's a BS powerup for a character who has been dead and irrelevant for so long. They want to give us a super strong member of Frost Demon/Arcosian/whatever the race is called? OK, they could have just come up with an entirely new character of that race.
Irrelevant? Freeza has been mentioned time and time again beyond the Freeza arc. Hell, he was used as a measuring stick by Kaioshin when explaining Boo. Freeza was pretty much the best villain in this entire series, and it's gonna be awesome to see him lay the smackdown again.
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Nov 18 2014, 02:21 PM
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Saying we don't need Freeza is false. There may be people in this world who literally need Freeza to survive. If they don't see him on the screen, they'll die. Stop being selfish.
Were there people who wanted Freeza back? Maybe ... but it would have to be a VERY small minority because there wasn't ANY demand for Freeza to come back. I'm selfish for pointing out this fact? Let's get real; there wasn't anyone asking for Freeza to come back. The series shouldn't cater to just a small group of people.

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Dragon Ball Z is all one giant bull sh** power up. What's one more for arguably the best villain in the series? Honestly, if the Earthlings and Saiyajins can have a god, why can't a Frost Demon?


The problem isn't that it's a BS powerup. It's that it's a BS powerup for a character who has been dead and irrelevant for so long. They want to give us a super strong member of Frost Demon/Arcosian/whatever the race is called? OK, they could have just come up with an entirely new character of that race.
Irrelevant? Freeza has been mentioned time and time again beyond the Freeza arc. Hell, he was used as a measuring stick by Kaioshin when explaining Boo. Freeza was pretty much the best villain in this entire series, and it's gonna be awesome to see him lay the smackdown again.
Again, being mentioned =/= becoming relevant again. Just because a character is mentioned doesn't mean they're actually playing a role in the story. Freeza was only mentioned a handful of times in past sense. He wasn't relevant at all.

Freeza was a great villain, but his time has long since ended.

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I don't really get this utter despair for a returning villain who has deep connections to the main cast. How many times does Loki return to fight Thor? Brainiac for Superman? Osbourne for Spider-man? How many times do relatively weak characters in comics get a super, temporary power up that makes them a threat to others usually beyond their 'pay grade'? Captain America picked Mjolnir, Spider-man gets the power cosmic, Jean Grey gets Pheonix Force etc etc. Why is it so hard to imagine the possibility of Freeza getting a power up to rival the saiyans once again? All that aside, Freeza may not even be fighting, he may just be the mastermind behind some plot that puts the Z fighters in danger, not an actual physical threat himself....except to Krillin.


Dragonball isn't some Western superhero comic. Those stories have plenty of flaws themselves.
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The whole Freeza issue... If someone was going to be brought back, it would be Freeza.

Why?

First of all, he is the most iconic villain of Dragonball, barring Vegeta and Piccolo. He brutalized the Saiyan Race and made them slaves. He's the gigantic force that couldn't be taken down, the first stepping stone towards massive power for the Zet-Senshi.

Secondly, he was mentioned by Beerus in Battle of Gods, thus still being relevant. He has a connection to Beerus and the God of Destruction is going to be in this new movie aswell. If anyone was going to be wished back with good reason, it's Freeza. That honor won't befall Cell anytime soon.
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For the umpteenth time, a character doesn't become relevant just by being mentioned. That's some bad logic right there. Freeza was just mentioned a couple of times in past sense in Battle of Gods. He didn't play any role in the story.
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Nov 18 2014, 02:39 PM
For the umpteenth time, a character doesn't become relevant just by being mentioned. That's some bad logic right there. Freeza was just mentioned a couple of times in past sense in Battle of Gods. He didn't play any role in the story.
That's not up to you to decide, Sir. Apparently Freeza being mentioned in Battle of Gods made him relevant enough to Toei and Akira Toriyama. That's all that matters.
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For the umpteenth time, a character doesn't become relevant just by being mentioned. That's some bad logic right there. Freeza was just mentioned a couple of times in past sense in Battle of Gods. He didn't play any role in the story.
That's not up to you to decide, Sir. Apparently Freeza being mentioned in Battle of Gods made him relevant enough to Toei and Akira Toriyama. That's all that matters.
Now you're just spewing more of that "the creators' opinions are facts" bad logic. Just because Freeza may have became relevant to them doesn't mean he was actually relevant.
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For the umpteenth time, a character doesn't become relevant just by being mentioned. That's some bad logic right there. Freeza was just mentioned a couple of times in past sense in Battle of Gods. He didn't play any role in the story.
That's not up to you to decide, Sir. Apparently Freeza being mentioned in Battle of Gods made him relevant enough to Toei and Akira Toriyama. That's all that matters.
Now you're just spewing more of that "the creators' opinions are facts" bad logic. Just because Freeza may have became relevant to them doesn't mean he was actually relevant.
And why should fans have a say in who should be revived? Tell me, who is better to revive than Freeza?
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Saying we don't need Freeza is false. There may be people in this world who literally need Freeza to survive. If they don't see him on the screen, they'll die. Stop being selfish.
Were there people who wanted Freeza back? Maybe ... but it would have to be a VERY small minority because there wasn't ANY demand for Freeza to come back. I'm selfish for pointing out this fact? Let's get real; there wasn't anyone asking for Freeza to come back. The series shouldn't cater to just a small group of people.

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Dragon Ball Z is all one giant bull sh** power up. What's one more for arguably the best villain in the series? Honestly, if the Earthlings and Saiyajins can have a god, why can't a Frost Demon?


The problem isn't that it's a BS powerup. It's that it's a BS powerup for a character who has been dead and irrelevant for so long. They want to give us a super strong member of Frost Demon/Arcosian/whatever the race is called? OK, they could have just come up with an entirely new character of that race.
Irrelevant? Freeza has been mentioned time and time again beyond the Freeza arc. Hell, he was used as a measuring stick by Kaioshin when explaining Boo. Freeza was pretty much the best villain in this entire series, and it's gonna be awesome to see him lay the smackdown again.
Again, being mentioned =/= becoming relevant again. Just because a character is mentioned doesn't mean they're actually playing a role in the story. Freeza was only mentioned a handful of times in past sense. He wasn't relevant at all.

Freeza was a great villain, but his time has long since ended.
I don't know, Goku seemed pretty impressed when Kaioshin claimed he could one-shot Freeza. His time apparently hasn't ended, as he's iconic enough to be used again in a relevant manner. I'm excited to see Freeza again.
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What's with all the hostility? Frieza is awesome, he's certainly better then some cat god or god knows what else they'd come up with.
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For the umpteenth time, a character doesn't become relevant just by being mentioned. That's some bad logic right there. Freeza was just mentioned a couple of times in past sense in Battle of Gods. He didn't play any role in the story.
That's not up to you to decide, Sir. Apparently Freeza being mentioned in Battle of Gods made him relevant enough to Toei and Akira Toriyama. That's all that matters.
Now you're just spewing more of that "the creators' opinions are facts" bad logic. Just because Freeza may have became relevant to them doesn't mean he was actually relevant.
And why should fans have a say in who should be revived? Tell me, who is better to revive than Freeza?
Oh, I don't know. Somebody who:

>Hasn't been dead for more than a year.
>Isn't some relic of the past.

This whole revival thing is pretty stupid to begin with, too.

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I don't know, Goku seemed pretty impressed when Kaioshin claimed he could one-shot Freeza. His time apparently hasn't ended, as he's iconic enough to be used again in a relevant manner. I'm excited to see Freeza again.


A poorly written scene. One shotting Freeza wasn't anything impressive by that point; that had happened all the way back with Future Trunks.

Freeza's time had been over. It's just being unnecessarily continued with this movie.
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For the umpteenth time, a character doesn't become relevant just by being mentioned. That's some bad logic right there. Freeza was just mentioned a couple of times in past sense in Battle of Gods. He didn't play any role in the story.
That's not up to you to decide, Sir. Apparently Freeza being mentioned in Battle of Gods made him relevant enough to Toei and Akira Toriyama. That's all that matters.
Now you're just spewing more of that "the creators' opinions are facts" bad logic. Just because Freeza may have became relevant to them doesn't mean he was actually relevant.
And why should fans have a say in who should be revived? Tell me, who is better to revive than Freeza?
Oh, I don't know. Somebody who:

>Hasn't been dead for more than a year.
>Isn't some relic of the past.

This whole revival thing is pretty stupid to begin with, too.
Who hasn't been dead for over a year at this point?

I think Freeza had an amazing dynamic to the show and we know so little about him. I think it's time we get to know more about his race and his past. With him being revived, there's a possibility for that.


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I don't know, Goku seemed pretty impressed when Kaioshin claimed he could one-shot Freeza. His time apparently hasn't ended, as he's iconic enough to be used again in a relevant manner. I'm excited to see Freeza again.


A poorly written scene. One shotting Freeza wasn't anything impressive by that point; that had happened all the way back with Future Trunks.

Freeza's time had been over. It's just being unnecessarily continued with this movie.
Or Freeza is a bigger deal than you think :O. No his time is not over, this movie is proof of that. You can be cynical about this if you want, but people are allowed to be stoked at the prospect of Freeza returning.
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