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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,366 Views)
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better be some super doper scouters.

I hope vegeta destroys them all just to be a d*** even though they mean nothing to anyone but frieza and his crew.
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wait can scouters get any sort of read on gods? im guessing no.


edit:comg double post im so sry
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Yeah, they better be able to read all the way up to SS3 levels and then some... I wouldn't have a problem with that.
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Even Kaioshin is a God.

That should tell you how prestigious that word is.
Why so high? Kami's name literally means god.

As for Freeza being the villain, much as I love the guy, I feel that the DBM syndrome is taking place. That is to say really nonsensical power-ups
You're acting as if non-sensical power-ups weren't rampant in the series to begin with.
Well the highest gains in the series we've seen are from Piccolo in the 3 years, Gotenks in the RoSaT, and Gohan's Mystic boost and none of those wouldn't even begin to compare with the kind of power boost Freeza needs to become relevant to the Z-Fightes.

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I figured that would be brought up. It's not that gods can't be surpassed, per se. It's that...damn, I don't even know how to put into words what I mean. I'll just punch you instead.


I know what you me...(gets punched in the face)


Piccolo's boost was 'too big'. Then it got overshadowed by Goku's ridiculous zenkai boost. Which was overshadowed by Piccolo's 3 years boost. Which was overshadowed by Gotenks' RoSaT boost. Which was overshadowed by Gohan's Mystic boost.

A power up can't be 'too big'. It's just another power up to add to the list.
It has to be reasonable and not "Character get a million times stronger for no apparent reason". The series, despite having very huge gains with some characters are usually sensible and aren't totally far-fetched.

Piccolo's gains in the 3 years makes sense given he had an SSJ to train with, Gotenks in the RoSaT could have had his gains amplified by the Kids individual gains, and Gohan's Mystic gain was him having his potential fully unlocked and then some.

How would Freeza hypothetically have a boost that makes the rest of the series gains look like a joke and have it make sense?


- They use the second wish
- Another God gives Freeza the power
- Something happened in HFIL
- It has something to do with his race

You can't write off a power up as unreasonable when a huge number of reasonable possibilities for it exist. Those were just off the top of my head. Quite unfair to criticise it just because you personally feel that it's unreasonable.
What i'm saying is that it's unreasonable for a guy to go from being mere fodder to everyone in an Arc to being a credible threat again. It's just unnecessary and redundant really.

For those of you that are familiar with the FF franchise, it's almost like the Audio Drama that was released for FFX HD recently. The main villain that was supposed to be dead due to it's creator being dead is somehow brought to life and became a major plot point again. It's a bit different than what we have here but I thought i'd bring it up.
It isn't, really. If they provide a good reason for the power up, Freeza is the perfect villain. We learned after he died that he had all these connections that we didn't know about. Plus there's his history with Vegeta, who's never beaten him and is meant to be the protagonist in this film.
It is. Bringing Buu Arc fodder into the movie and making him a credible threat is just unnecessary really.

This is essentially the 2008 OVA only with more credible villains along with a villain from the past that already had his Arc and is being thrown in again. Which ever way you look at ti, it's lazy writing really (Bringing back previous villains is something you would see in a fic or something. I'd expect better from a movie that's going to be canon to the Manga).

But you know, were not going to agree so I might as well just end it here.

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Goten, Trunks, and Gohan were all essentially fodder to everyone else [that matters] in the arc, pero like...


If I recall correctly, Gohan was the strongest of the Arc and Goten and Trunks by the end of it weren't drastically below their fathers.
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I hope the scouters don't break. I really wanna see how everyone would be number-wise. Plus, it doesn't have to be the original system... It can be a different one. E.g: kiri.
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I worry that Toryama forgets his older work to some extent and he'll just go, "hmm what can these scouters say about their power levels? I'll say Goku as a super saiyan is 10x stronger than Frieza! That's massive isn't it!? That'll do!" Plus he knows the majority of people wouldn't care as much as we likely would. I was watching the Buu saga with my friend and he thought Gotenks was just Goten plus Trunks in terms of power. I said "that wouldn't bring him in base anywhere near the SSJ2s who already died against Buu."
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Nov 17 2014, 11:57 PM
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Nov 17 2014, 10:59 PM
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Nov 17 2014, 10:55 PM
Even Kaioshin is a God.

That should tell you how prestigious that word is.
Why so high? Kami's name literally means god.

As for Freeza being the villain, much as I love the guy, I feel that the DBM syndrome is taking place. That is to say really nonsensical power-ups
You're acting as if non-sensical power-ups weren't rampant in the series to begin with.
Well the highest gains in the series we've seen are from Piccolo in the 3 years, Gotenks in the RoSaT, and Gohan's Mystic boost and none of those wouldn't even begin to compare with the kind of power boost Freeza needs to become relevant to the Z-Fightes.

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I figured that would be brought up. It's not that gods can't be surpassed, per se. It's that...damn, I don't even know how to put into words what I mean. I'll just punch you instead.


I know what you me...(gets punched in the face)


Piccolo's boost was 'too big'. Then it got overshadowed by Goku's ridiculous zenkai boost. Which was overshadowed by Piccolo's 3 years boost. Which was overshadowed by Gotenks' RoSaT boost. Which was overshadowed by Gohan's Mystic boost.

A power up can't be 'too big'. It's just another power up to add to the list.
It has to be reasonable and not "Character get a million times stronger for no apparent reason". The series, despite having very huge gains with some characters are usually sensible and aren't totally far-fetched.

Piccolo's gains in the 3 years makes sense given he had an SSJ to train with, Gotenks in the RoSaT could have had his gains amplified by the Kids individual gains, and Gohan's Mystic gain was him having his potential fully unlocked and then some.

How would Freeza hypothetically have a boost that makes the rest of the series gains look like a joke and have it make sense?


- They use the second wish
- Another God gives Freeza the power
- Something happened in HFIL
- It has something to do with his race

You can't write off a power up as unreasonable when a huge number of reasonable possibilities for it exist. Those were just off the top of my head. Quite unfair to criticise it just because you personally feel that it's unreasonable.
What i'm saying is that it's unreasonable for a guy to go from being mere fodder to everyone in an Arc to being a credible threat again. It's just unnecessary and redundant really.

For those of you that are familiar with the FF franchise, it's almost like the Audio Drama that was released for FFX HD recently. The main villain that was supposed to be dead due to it's creator being dead is somehow brought to life and became a major plot point again. It's a bit different than what we have here but I thought i'd bring it up.
It isn't, really. If they provide a good reason for the power up, Freeza is the perfect villain. We learned after he died that he had all these connections that we didn't know about. Plus there's his history with Vegeta, who's never beaten him and is meant to be the protagonist in this film.
It is. Bringing Buu Arc fodder into the movie and making him a credible threat is just unnecessary really.

This is essentially the 2008 OVA only with more credible villains along with a villain from the past that already had his Arc and is being thrown in again. Which ever way you look at ti, it's lazy writing really (Bringing back previous villains is something you would see in a fic or something. I'd expect better from a movie that's going to be canon to the Manga).

But you know, were not going to agree so I might as well just end it here.

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Goten, Trunks, and Gohan were all essentially fodder to everyone else [that matters] in the arc, pero like...


If I recall correctly, Gohan was the strongest of the Arc and Goten and Trunks by the end of it weren't drastically below their fathers.
How is it lazy? Freeza as a character still has so much potential. We don't know anything about his race, and his presence has been in the background throughout the entire series. Having him appear again gives Vegeta some closure. Would you rather Vegeta beat a random God when he gets his own movie, or his tormentor who he never got to beat?
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I worry that Toryama forgets his older work to some extent and he'll just go, "hmm what can these scouters say about their power levels? I'll say Goku as a super saiyan is 10x stronger than Frieza! That's massive isn't it!? That'll do!" Plus he knows the majority of people wouldn't care as much as we likely would. I was watching the Buu saga with my friend and he thought Gotenks was just Goten plus Trunks in terms of power. I said "that wouldn't bring him in base anywhere near the SSJ2s who already died against Buu."
That's my fear considering he even forget the difference between SSJ2 and SSJ3.

Worst case scenario he uses the V-Jump numbers which is essentially my nightmares come true.
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Since we were shown a little flashback of kid Vegeta and the King... I bet we'll see some of Freeza and Cold. I'm confident for that one for some reason.

I'm getting more excited myself.
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I worry that Toryama forgets his older work to some extent and he'll just go, "hmm what can these scouters say about their power levels? I'll say Goku as a super saiyan is 10x stronger than Frieza! That's massive isn't it!? That'll do!" Plus he knows the majority of people wouldn't care as much as we likely would. I was watching the Buu saga with my friend and he thought Gotenks was just Goten plus Trunks in terms of power. I said "that wouldn't bring him in base anywhere near the SSJ2s who already died against Buu."
That's my biggest concern and feel that is what's going to happen with scouters brought into the mix. AT has a bad habit of contradicting himself these days, he's done it in Interviews and in the previous Movie too.
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Nov 17 2014, 10:55 PM
Even Kaioshin is a God.

That should tell you how prestigious that word is.
Why so high? Kami's name literally means god.

As for Freeza being the villain, much as I love the guy, I feel that the DBM syndrome is taking place. That is to say really nonsensical power-ups
You're acting as if non-sensical power-ups weren't rampant in the series to begin with.
Well the highest gains in the series we've seen are from Piccolo in the 3 years, Gotenks in the RoSaT, and Gohan's Mystic boost and none of those wouldn't even begin to compare with the kind of power boost Freeza needs to become relevant to the Z-Fightes.

Quote:
 
I figured that would be brought up. It's not that gods can't be surpassed, per se. It's that...damn, I don't even know how to put into words what I mean. I'll just punch you instead.


I know what you me...(gets punched in the face)


Piccolo's boost was 'too big'. Then it got overshadowed by Goku's ridiculous zenkai boost. Which was overshadowed by Piccolo's 3 years boost. Which was overshadowed by Gotenks' RoSaT boost. Which was overshadowed by Gohan's Mystic boost.

A power up can't be 'too big'. It's just another power up to add to the list.
It has to be reasonable and not "Character get a million times stronger for no apparent reason". The series, despite having very huge gains with some characters are usually sensible and aren't totally far-fetched.

Piccolo's gains in the 3 years makes sense given he had an SSJ to train with, Gotenks in the RoSaT could have had his gains amplified by the Kids individual gains, and Gohan's Mystic gain was him having his potential fully unlocked and then some.

How would Freeza hypothetically have a boost that makes the rest of the series gains look like a joke and have it make sense?


- They use the second wish
- Another God gives Freeza the power
- Something happened in HFIL
- It has something to do with his race

You can't write off a power up as unreasonable when a huge number of reasonable possibilities for it exist. Those were just off the top of my head. Quite unfair to criticise it just because you personally feel that it's unreasonable.
What i'm saying is that it's unreasonable for a guy to go from being mere fodder to everyone in an Arc to being a credible threat again. It's just unnecessary and redundant really.

For those of you that are familiar with the FF franchise, it's almost like the Audio Drama that was released for FFX HD recently. The main villain that was supposed to be dead due to it's creator being dead is somehow brought to life and became a major plot point again. It's a bit different than what we have here but I thought i'd bring it up.
It isn't, really. If they provide a good reason for the power up, Freeza is the perfect villain. We learned after he died that he had all these connections that we didn't know about. Plus there's his history with Vegeta, who's never beaten him and is meant to be the protagonist in this film.
It is. Bringing Buu Arc fodder into the movie and making him a credible threat is just unnecessary really.

This is essentially the 2008 OVA only with more credible villains along with a villain from the past that already had his Arc and is being thrown in again. Which ever way you look at ti, it's lazy writing really (Bringing back previous villains is something you would see in a fic or something. I'd expect better from a movie that's going to be canon to the Manga).

But you know, were not going to agree so I might as well just end it here.

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Goten, Trunks, and Gohan were all essentially fodder to everyone else [that matters] in the arc, pero like...


If I recall correctly, Gohan was the strongest of the Arc and Goten and Trunks by the end of it weren't drastically below their fathers.
Gohan was trash before he sat on his a*** and was given power for a small freemium.

The kids were trash even after they were given SSJ for freemium. They had to be given fusion on top of that to be relevant...and it was Popo's idea.
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He needs to sit down and fully re-read the manga he wrote before he does anything.
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I think I remember reading that he did, for BOG.
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That sounds like a punchline, because I watched BOG and I never thought he read it before he started writing on it.
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He needs to do it once a week at least. I thought he got rid of the scouters anyway because they were a weakness to those who used them anyway and the numbers were getting ridiculously high. Even if he knows precisely how much more powerful his characters are, I can't see him allowing for somebody to take a reading of SSG absorbed Goku and going "well his power level is 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999" Because that'd be ludicrous and kids wouldn't be impressed. He'll have it read "Goku is at 900 million!" simply because it's a number the wide majority can understand as 'big'. He can't very well start using quintillion and the like. I hope they don't get used at all.
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