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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,367 Views)
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Nagito Komaeda
Nov 17 2014, 11:06 PM
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Nov 17 2014, 10:59 PM
Yusuke
Nov 17 2014, 10:55 PM
Even Kaioshin is a God.

That should tell you how prestigious that word is.
Why so high? Kami's name literally means god.

As for Freeza being the villain, much as I love the guy, I feel that the DBM syndrome is taking place. That is to say really nonsensical power-ups
You're acting as if non-sensical power-ups weren't rampant in the series to begin with.
There's a difference between getting a boost around the terms of hundreds of times stronger, to one being thousands if not tens of thousands stronger
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Nov 17 2014, 10:59 PM
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Nov 17 2014, 10:55 PM
Even Kaioshin is a God.

That should tell you how prestigious that word is.
Why so high? Kami's name literally means god.

As for Freeza being the villain, much as I love the guy, I feel that the DBM syndrome is taking place. That is to say really nonsensical power-ups
You're acting as if non-sensical power-ups weren't rampant in the series to begin with.
Well the highest gains in the series we've seen are from Piccolo in the 3 years, Gotenks in the RoSaT, and Gohan's Mystic boost and none of those wouldn't even begin to compare with the kind of power boost Freeza needs to become relevant to the Z-Fightes.

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I figured that would be brought up. It's not that gods can't be surpassed, per se. It's that...damn, I don't even know how to put into words what I mean. I'll just punch you instead.


I know what you me...(gets punched in the face)


Piccolo's boost was 'too big'. Then it got overshadowed by Goku's ridiculous zenkai boost. Which was overshadowed by Piccolo's 3 years boost. Which was overshadowed by Gotenks' RoSaT boost. Which was overshadowed by Gohan's Mystic boost.

A power up can't be 'too big'. It's just another power up to add to the list.
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If it has a good reason then it's not too big.
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I'm on the fence about this... but then again I'm still on the fence with Battle of The Bods, and look at that Movie as multiple contradictions and I fear this movie will end up being the same. I don't want it to be, but I have a feeling it will be.

I wish instead of another movie, just making a brand new series that doesn't effect or contradict the main story.
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Nov 17 2014, 10:59 PM
Yusuke
Nov 17 2014, 10:55 PM
Even Kaioshin is a God.

That should tell you how prestigious that word is.
Why so high? Kami's name literally means god.

As for Freeza being the villain, much as I love the guy, I feel that the DBM syndrome is taking place. That is to say really nonsensical power-ups
You're acting as if non-sensical power-ups weren't rampant in the series to begin with.
Well the highest gains in the series we've seen are from Piccolo in the 3 years, Gotenks in the RoSaT, and Gohan's Mystic boost and none of those wouldn't even begin to compare with the kind of power boost Freeza needs to become relevant to the Z-Fightes.

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I figured that would be brought up. It's not that gods can't be surpassed, per se. It's that...damn, I don't even know how to put into words what I mean. I'll just punch you instead.


I know what you me...(gets punched in the face)


Piccolo's boost was 'too big'. Then it got overshadowed by Goku's ridiculous zenkai boost. Which was overshadowed by Piccolo's 3 years boost. Which was overshadowed by Gotenks' RoSaT boost. Which was overshadowed by Gohan's Mystic boost.

A power up can't be 'too big'. It's just another power up to add to the list.
It has to be reasonable and not "Character get a million times stronger for no apparent reason". The series, despite having very huge gains with some characters are usually sensible and aren't totally far-fetched.

Piccolo's gains in the 3 years makes sense given he had an SSJ to train with, Gotenks in the RoSaT could have had his gains amplified by the Kids individual gains, and Gohan's Mystic gain was him having his potential fully unlocked and then some.

How would Freeza hypothetically have a boost that makes the rest of the series gains look like a joke and have it make sense?

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I wish instead of another movie, just making a brand new series that doesn't effect or contradict the main story.


I wish they would make movies that aren't supposed to fit in Manga canon like the 13 DBZ Movies. That way, everything isn't a convoluted mess.
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Nov 17 2014, 11:06 PM
lazerbem
Nov 17 2014, 10:59 PM
Yusuke
Nov 17 2014, 10:55 PM
Even Kaioshin is a God.

That should tell you how prestigious that word is.
Why so high? Kami's name literally means god.

As for Freeza being the villain, much as I love the guy, I feel that the DBM syndrome is taking place. That is to say really nonsensical power-ups
You're acting as if non-sensical power-ups weren't rampant in the series to begin with.
Well the highest gains in the series we've seen are from Piccolo in the 3 years, Gotenks in the RoSaT, and Gohan's Mystic boost and none of those wouldn't even begin to compare with the kind of power boost Freeza needs to become relevant to the Z-Fightes.

Quote:
 
I figured that would be brought up. It's not that gods can't be surpassed, per se. It's that...damn, I don't even know how to put into words what I mean. I'll just punch you instead.


I know what you me...(gets punched in the face)


Piccolo's boost was 'too big'. Then it got overshadowed by Goku's ridiculous zenkai boost. Which was overshadowed by Piccolo's 3 years boost. Which was overshadowed by Gotenks' RoSaT boost. Which was overshadowed by Gohan's Mystic boost.

A power up can't be 'too big'. It's just another power up to add to the list.
It has to be reasonable and not "Character get a million times stronger for no apparent reason". The series, despite having very huge gains with some characters are usually sensible and aren't totally far-fetched.

Piccolo's gains in the 3 years makes sense given he had an SSJ to train with, Gotenks in the RoSaT could have had his gains amplified by the Kids individual gains, and Gohan's Mystic gain was him having his potential fully unlocked and then some.

How would Freeza hypothetically have a boost that makes the rest of the series gains look like a joke and have it make sense?


- They use the second wish
- Another God gives Freeza the power
- Something happened in HFIL
- It has something to do with his race

You can't write off a power up as unreasonable when a huge number of reasonable possibilities for it exist. Those were just off the top of my head. Quite unfair to criticise it just because you personally feel that it's unreasonable.
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Base Goku < Frieza

Base Goku + SSJ God Ritual = ~60% of Beerus' max.
Frieza + God of Destruction Ritual = God of D Frieza > SSJG Goku

It's rather simple, you guyz.
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I look at it this way... if the increases make sense then that's fine, but it better have a logical reason for him making those increases, not an out of thin air increase. If that happens then I call BS.
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wasn't beerus originally ment to be able to put evils inside of people?

I imagine him or whis will just bring back frieza and bless him with some ultimate evil force and it will boost his power above , just so he can watch goku and or vegeta battle him in hopes goku/vegeta get stronger in hopes they can rival them..... or something . idduno.
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Nov 17 2014, 11:11 PM
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Nov 17 2014, 11:06 PM
lazerbem
Nov 17 2014, 10:59 PM
Yusuke
Nov 17 2014, 10:55 PM
Even Kaioshin is a God.

That should tell you how prestigious that word is.
Why so high? Kami's name literally means god.

As for Freeza being the villain, much as I love the guy, I feel that the DBM syndrome is taking place. That is to say really nonsensical power-ups
You're acting as if non-sensical power-ups weren't rampant in the series to begin with.
Well the highest gains in the series we've seen are from Piccolo in the 3 years, Gotenks in the RoSaT, and Gohan's Mystic boost and none of those wouldn't even begin to compare with the kind of power boost Freeza needs to become relevant to the Z-Fightes.

Quote:
 
I figured that would be brought up. It's not that gods can't be surpassed, per se. It's that...damn, I don't even know how to put into words what I mean. I'll just punch you instead.


I know what you me...(gets punched in the face)


Piccolo's boost was 'too big'. Then it got overshadowed by Goku's ridiculous zenkai boost. Which was overshadowed by Piccolo's 3 years boost. Which was overshadowed by Gotenks' RoSaT boost. Which was overshadowed by Gohan's Mystic boost.

A power up can't be 'too big'. It's just another power up to add to the list.
It has to be reasonable and not "Character get a million times stronger for no apparent reason". The series, despite having very huge gains with some characters are usually sensible and aren't totally far-fetched.

Piccolo's gains in the 3 years makes sense given he had an SSJ to train with, Gotenks in the RoSaT could have had his gains amplified by the Kids individual gains, and Gohan's Mystic gain was him having his potential fully unlocked and then some.

How would Freeza hypothetically have a boost that makes the rest of the series gains look like a joke and have it make sense?


- They use the second wish
- Another God gives Freeza the power
- Something happened in HFIL
- It has something to do with his race

You can't write off a power up as unreasonable when a huge number of reasonable possibilities for it exist. Those were just off the top of my head. Quite unfair to criticise it just because you personally feel that it's unreasonable.
What i'm saying is that it's unreasonable for a guy to go from being mere fodder to everyone in an Arc to being a credible threat again. It's just unnecessary and redundant really.

For those of you that are familiar with the FF franchise, it's almost like the Audio Drama that was released for FFX HD recently. The main villain that was supposed to be dead due to it's creator being dead is somehow brought to life and became a major plot point again. It's a bit different than what we have here but I thought i'd bring it up.
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Nov 17 2014, 11:15 PM
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Nov 17 2014, 11:11 PM
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Nov 17 2014, 11:06 PM
lazerbem
Nov 17 2014, 10:59 PM
Yusuke
Nov 17 2014, 10:55 PM
Even Kaioshin is a God.

That should tell you how prestigious that word is.
Why so high? Kami's name literally means god.

As for Freeza being the villain, much as I love the guy, I feel that the DBM syndrome is taking place. That is to say really nonsensical power-ups
You're acting as if non-sensical power-ups weren't rampant in the series to begin with.
Well the highest gains in the series we've seen are from Piccolo in the 3 years, Gotenks in the RoSaT, and Gohan's Mystic boost and none of those wouldn't even begin to compare with the kind of power boost Freeza needs to become relevant to the Z-Fightes.

Quote:
 
I figured that would be brought up. It's not that gods can't be surpassed, per se. It's that...damn, I don't even know how to put into words what I mean. I'll just punch you instead.


I know what you me...(gets punched in the face)


Piccolo's boost was 'too big'. Then it got overshadowed by Goku's ridiculous zenkai boost. Which was overshadowed by Piccolo's 3 years boost. Which was overshadowed by Gotenks' RoSaT boost. Which was overshadowed by Gohan's Mystic boost.

A power up can't be 'too big'. It's just another power up to add to the list.
It has to be reasonable and not "Character get a million times stronger for no apparent reason". The series, despite having very huge gains with some characters are usually sensible and aren't totally far-fetched.

Piccolo's gains in the 3 years makes sense given he had an SSJ to train with, Gotenks in the RoSaT could have had his gains amplified by the Kids individual gains, and Gohan's Mystic gain was him having his potential fully unlocked and then some.

How would Freeza hypothetically have a boost that makes the rest of the series gains look like a joke and have it make sense?


- They use the second wish
- Another God gives Freeza the power
- Something happened in HFIL
- It has something to do with his race

You can't write off a power up as unreasonable when a huge number of reasonable possibilities for it exist. Those were just off the top of my head. Quite unfair to criticise it just because you personally feel that it's unreasonable.
What i'm saying is that it's unreasonable for a guy to go from being mere fodder to everyone in an Arc to being a credible threat again. It's just unnecessary and redundant really.

For those of you that are familiar with the FF franchise, it's almost like the Audio Drama that was released for FFX HD recently. The main villain that was supposed to be dead due to it's creator being dead is somehow brought to life and became a major plot point again. It's a bit different than what we have here but I thought i'd bring it up.
It isn't, really. If they provide a good reason for the power up, Freeza is the perfect villain. We learned after he died that he had all these connections that we didn't know about. Plus there's his history with Vegeta, who's never beaten him and is meant to be the protagonist in this film.
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Goten, Trunks, and Gohan were all essentially fodder to everyone else [that matters] in the arc, pero like...
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I would be able to forgive a lot of inconsistencies just to see Vegeta lay the smack down on Freeza.
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We'll probably get some numbers since the gametes have scouters.
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Yeah, that's one of my worries... AT will probably contradict everything after the Frieza arc with those numbers.

I'm really hoping the scouters just break from the power.
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