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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,101 Views)
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May 19 2015, 04:46 PM
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May 19 2015, 12:08 PM
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I don't think anyone answered this the last time I asked. Was the entire thing a test for goku and vegeta? Why couldn't beerus or whis intervene? Either one could've wrecked him
They spend their lives destroying populated worlds. I guess they're just nonchalant about the whole life and death scenario thing.

And my point about this film not being a good indicator for Vegeta's future is that this was by far the very best opportunity to give Vegeta the main fight/victory/overall role and he is still less significant than Goku. I'm not saying I want Vegeta to overtake Goku or even equal him in significance overall. But if Toriyama (or Toei more likely) can't bring themselves to sit Goku properly on the sidelines for Vegeta's worst, most personal enemy, then how can I expect them to give anyone a significant victory in the series other than Goku?

Perhaps by sheer volume of episodes (over 100 I believe) Vegeta, Gohan etc will get to do more significant things in Super, as there'll be more time to do it. But I reckon their roles will consist of comic relief, stalling, defeating second tier villains or providing inspiration/training for Goku to power up to new heights so that he can then provide the finishing blow for the main adversaries...again and again and again.
You get the sense that Vegeta is being built up for someone greater in this film. So it is entirely possible that while you did not get exactly what you wanted from him in this film, you will in the series (or next film if there is one).

Beerus states he is impartial, as is his duty as God of Destruction, and will not intervene. Whis did it for Earth's delicious food, and because he was teaching Goku and Vegeta a lesson.
@first paragraph that's good to know. Probably like I said earlier. I bet they're building him up for something greater than just revenge. He's not a murderer anymore and like toriyama said he's a family man now. Killing Frieza shouldn't mean much. Think about it. It's us that cares. Throughout the series he was clearly more pissed about kakarot and gohan ruining his pride than getting revenge towards Frieza

@second paragraph so basically beerus was impartial because it's not his fight. Whis was testing how far goku and vegeta had gotten...and wanted ice cream lol
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I just watched the ending of Fukkatsu no F. Gosh it's so lame and it ends so suddenly. The characters are all drawn weird for me...And at the end Goku recommends Vegeta that next time they should fight together, however Vegeta refuses. Then Goku also agrees to that to which Vegeta says it's the first time they see eye to eye...Really? When they were fighting Buu they both agreed they wouldn't fuse with each other even if they could. And I can't believe that when Frieza was about to kill Goku he then suddenly offers Vegeta the kill. He just simply passed away his deepest desire to kill Goku. And really there is no tension...It's rather obvious Frieza has no chance winning especially when Beerus and Whis appear at the scene. And the fight between golden Frieza and SSJG Goku SSJG is pretty lame...same boring coreography...Frieza even tries his slicing attack once more only that it's somewhat improoved. The only thing I liked was the humor...I liked how people at the cinema laughed at the jokes. So so far we could see the beginning and the ending of the movie. Looking forward to see the other Z fighters fight too.
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Frieza had no idea Vegeta was a SSJ, let alone a SSJG or SSJGSSJ. It's villain arrogance. "You're beneath me, so allow me to let this worm finish you off."

Beerus makes it clear he won't intervene, and neither would Whis.

You know Frieza won't win because it's Dragonball, not a story in which villains get to win.

What's the problem again?
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The problem is Freeza got "humiliated"... I personally enjoyed how Freeza was handled here. The idea that Freeza was actually stronger, but then starts to lose, only to gain the upper hand with his brains instead of his brawn in both cases was pretty neat. The Deus Ex Machina thing was a little irksome, mostly because I feel it would have been satisfying for Vegeta to get the kill, but meh, their individual weaknesses needed to be highlighted, so I guess it's ok. Vegeta and Goku teaming up to beat Freeza would just be a retread of Movie 6, which is unnecessary because Movie 6 already exists.
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Remember in BOG goku absorbed ssjg and then turned ssj? What's the difference between that and what he does in RF? Why didn't he become ssjgssj in BOG? Was the movie clear about it? Do goku and vegeta obtain God ki from whis, or do they both absorb ssj God? What happened?
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To answer your question, it wasn't really clear. But you kinda get the sense that it is something they learned to do while training with Whis.
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So Vegeta didn't go through the ritual at all?
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May 19 2015, 11:54 PM
So Vegeta didn't go through the ritual at all?
I'm pretty sure he did. I mean it's called Super Saiyajin God Super Saiyajin.
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May 19 2015, 11:54 PM
So Vegeta didn't go through the ritual at all?
He did, it just got off-screened. That's what I'm hoping Super will fix; show us a scenario where Goku (Post-God) isn't strong enough, so they have to perform the ritual for Vegeta in order to defeat the opponent.
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If it turns out they didn't do it to defeat an enemy and just did it to power up Vegeta for a later date, then why didn't Gohan, Goten and Trunks get a turn? Unless only full saiyans can attain the form.
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I still don't get the ssjgssj either.... Just how?
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So, I'm a bit confused.

Do we know for a fact whether or not Frieza has the ability to use godly ki in this movie? I'd assume no, but his aura does look awfully similar to those of SSJGs and SSJGSSJs.
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It does not appear to be the case as everyone seems to be able to sense his ki.
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Ok, I have to ask, is it unreasonable to assume Gohan was a SSJ2 in resurrection F? I mean, look at his hair and facial expression:
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But gohan had ssj2 hair against dabura didn't he? Does that mean he's ssj2? Gohans ssj2 hair became ssj1 hair after the tournament I think

The facial expression for ssj1 in the buu saga was different from Mssj in CG so I don't think its a good idea to go by that
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