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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,108 Views)
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It's still an insanely dumb line. Bulma knows who he is so she must have been on Namek? It's not like Goku, Krillin, Gohan or Piccolo would ever tell anybody stories about Freeza or anything...
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May 5 2015, 01:08 AM
It's still an insanely dumb line. Bulma knows who he is so she must have been on Namek? It's not like Goku, Krillin, Gohan or Piccolo would ever tell anybody stories about Freeza or anything...
It's still a reasonable conclusion to come to.
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May 5 2015, 01:22 AM
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It's still an insanely dumb line. Bulma knows who he is so she must have been on Namek? It's not like Goku, Krillin, Gohan or Piccolo would ever tell anybody stories about Freeza or anything...
It's still a reasonable conclusion to come to.
It's not the first conclusion I'd come to. I mean from Freeza's point of view where would she have been the whole time? Hell she knew less about Freeza than Tien, Yamcha and Chaozu, and they weren't even on Namek, but if Tien had said Bulma's line would Freeza have assumed Tien was on Namek? It just seems like such a weird guess that happened to be right. But at least it's no longer a plothole, so I'll give it that.
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So Freeza is now Sherlock Holmes?
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May 5 2015, 12:36 AM
Well that's good. That still leaves the Shunkan Ido inconsistency, though.
Perhaps context will also "save" that one.

Though, to be fair, I still don't really think it's necessary, considering there were so many variables in place in the fight against Beerus that could've altered Goku's abilities.
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Bulma was there when the scouts blipped off the map. They also do seem to keep a record of them all since they know Goku beat Buu. Its hard to think Vegetas wife, the creator of dragonball finding tech, etc wouldn't have been documented.

The only other things I can think of is Toriyama liking part of the Bulma filler. Bulma killed two planet trade officers and Ginyu took over her body. In Toeis world Ginyu said Bulmas body was able to watch the fight of Goku vs Fireza


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I have no problem with the Buu stuff. Everything told about Buu was told by shin who was a running joke of misinformation and uselessness. Its plausible he didn't know the whole story. Hell it fits his character as he didn't know hardly anything about the Saiyans, there being an elder Kai, or even Babadi recurring the likes of Dabura from the demon realm. It fits
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May 3 2015, 12:05 AM
Well, there's always the possibility that ascending to the mightiest warrior results in Super Saiyajin now. I mean, one if it's advantages was powering up without transforming, so maybe that expired due to a lack of upkeep.
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Freeza remembers her, but is curious where her friend Son Goku is

Freeza has never met Bulma. Inconsistency.
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Goku supposes there was no other way, since he can’t sense their ki to teleport here.

Goku used the Shunkan Idou against Beerus after SSJ God expired in Battle of Gods. Inconsistency.

Ugh, I know these are minor, but I can't help but be annoyed here. The concept of god Ki is ALREADY being contradicted...
1. Frieza does not remember Bulma, but comments that she must have been on Namek.

2. Goku did not use Beerus' ki to teleport. He used his own. Is your mind blown? :toj:

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So has Frieza abondened his "in-between" forms, like they don't exist anymore, because he can control his power now?

Or did he just decide not to use them in the movie?


Frieza decides there is no point in wasting time with his other forms by holding back (vs. Goku/Vegeta), so he is going to start in his true form.
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2. Goku did not use Beerus' ki to teleport. He used his own. Is your mind blown? :toj:
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Okay, after wondering what on earth was going on with the consistency in this film, I now (hopefully) have a definitive answer to calm the storms.

Looking at Volume F, I was curious to see that the line about Bulma having never seen Freeza before was omitted, instead having that line from Freeza talking about seeing Bulma on Namek.

I couldn't imagine how on earth someone could let two contradictory statements remain within the same film. Bulma saying she'd never seen Freeza, only to have him say he remembers her?! That would be ridiculously careless.

Fortunately, my Japanese buddy was seeing the film again yesterday, so I asked him to note what exactly Freeza says. Here's his translation of the conversation:

Bulma: "God, you're persistent, how did you even come back?"
Jaco: "Idiot! You could have found a better way to phrase that!
Freeza: "Oh? Seeing as you know who I am, were you on Namek, too? If so, where is your friend Son Goku?"
"おや?もしかして私の事を知っている所を見るとあなたもナメック星に入らしていたのですか?お友達の孫悟さんは何処でしょうか?"
Bulma: "Wow, you're back for revenge after all this time has passed?!"

Assuming my friend is correct, either Toriyama goofed up and his staff corrected him or Herms' initial translation was wrong. I guess we'll have to wait and see on that one!




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This is exactly what is said during the movie. Frieza never claimed to know Bulma.

I don't understand how the synopsis/summaries could get so many things wrong.
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2. Goku did not use Beerus' ki to teleport. He used his own. Is your mind blown? :toj:
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I thought of this, too, but I'm not sure it'd work since we don't know how far away Goku can teleport from a Ki source.

The basic idea is that he sensed his own ki as a base (Ki sensing is just that; a sense, so much like sight, you should be able to use it on yourself) and was therefore able to teleport a minor distance away. After all, you don't teleport to the place your opponent is, so you should at least get some distance from using it on yourself.
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2. Goku did not use Beerus' ki to teleport. He used his own. Is your mind blown? :toj:
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I thought of this, too, but I'm not sure it'd work since we don't know how far away Goku can teleport from a Ki source.

The basic idea is that he sensed his own ki as a base (Ki sensing is just that; a sense, so much like sight, you should be able to use it on yourself) and was therefore able to teleport a minor distance away. After all, you don't teleport to the place your opponent is, so you should at least get some distance from using it on yourself.
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A technique that Goku learned from the aliens that live on Planet Yardrat, which he visited by chance when he escaped from Planet Namek. This form of teleportation senses a person's ki, and then moves to where that person is. Because of this, it is impossible to move anywhere that does not have people or ki which one knows. Cell remembered this way of moving when he teleported with Goku. This technique is not just used for moving, but can also be included in offensive techniques.
(Daizenshuu 2, p.213 / Daizenshuu 4, p.113)

If Goku is not at a certain spot, he should not be able to teleport there. When have we ever seen him teleport far away from his target?
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A technique that Goku learned from the aliens that live on Planet Yardrat, which he visited by chance when he escaped from Planet Namek. This form of teleportation senses a person's ki, and then moves to where that person is. Because of this, it is impossible to move anywhere that does not have people or ki which one knows. Cell remembered this way of moving when he teleported with Goku. This technique is not just used for moving, but can also be included in offensive techniques.
(Daizenshuu 2, p.213 / Daizenshuu 4, p.113)

If Goku is not at a certain spot, he should not be able to teleport there. When have we ever seen him teleport far away from his target?
He was pretty far from Cell when he met him in the Cell Games arena after leaving the RoSaT, more than half way across the arena. That's less, or seems like less at least, than he ever moved using it against Beerus. He does not teleport inside of his opponent, so IT has some range. Cell and Goku are strong enough that their ki should be able to be sensed some distance from their bodies, especially if Goku purposfully let his power radiate a little to allow use of IT.
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I always just thought turning into a SSj God gave Goku the ability to read God ki. Using his own Ki kinda works I guess, he seems to have some control over how far from his target he wants to be.
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It's not unreasonable to think Goku can sense Beerus after the transformation. Anything contradicting this in FnF?
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