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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,110 Views)
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I suppose he isn't wrong. I wouldn't want him to feel held back after all these years since the original series ended but still, it isn't that hard to rectify inconsistencies if you just try a little surely? It also seems like quite an arrogant thing to say...maybe his favourite character is now Vegeta.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Toriyama doesn't care about consistency?........I am shocked. :=]:

I never thought the day would come when we would have to separate the canon...from the canon. I mean we got the canon from the non-canon, manga from the Toei movies and anime.

But now we've got to separate the canon of the manga...from the canon that AT's sprouting out Post Manga.
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I'm fairly sure that the only thing keeping BOG and all the other new developments canon is AT's word that they are canon. Which is shaky itself
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May 3 2015, 03:19 PM
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May 3 2015, 04:28 AM
But if that truly means it's absolutely necessary for IT all the time, it leads to a few inconsistencies. In the Son Goku and Friends Return special (Which, according to BoG, is canon), Goku teleported to the middle of a farm that had no noticeable lifeforms on it. Either Goku can sense and teleport to aphids, or there are circumstances where a ki isn't necessary. If that's not enough for you, you could just pretend Goku has a limited version of instantaneous movement, which is the same thing as IT without the ki sensing requirement.
The Daizenshuu and Goku specify you need a Ki signature to use the Shunkan Ido, so Goku using it against Beerus in Battle of Gods is a plot hole, same goes for the instance in the jump special.
The farm is his home. Goku can take energy from the animals, stress, and so on so he may be able to sense the familiar life forms in his home.

IT is always shaky anyhow. He uses Bulmas ki as the point to teleport to in the Buu saga when they are using the dragonballs. That either implies he's damn good at it after being in the after life or Bulma sticks out from the rest of the planet ki level wise
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But if that truly means it's absolutely necessary for IT all the time, it leads to a few inconsistencies. In the Son Goku and Friends Return special (Which, according to BoG, is canon), Goku teleported to the middle of a farm that had no noticeable lifeforms on it. Either Goku can sense and teleport to aphids, or there are circumstances where a ki isn't necessary. If that's not enough for you, you could just pretend Goku has a limited version of instantaneous movement, which is the same thing as IT without the ki sensing requirement.
The Daizenshuu and Goku specify you need a Ki signature to use the Shunkan Ido, so Goku using it against Beerus in Battle of Gods is a plot hole, same goes for the instance in the jump special.
The farm is his home. Goku can take energy from the animals, stress, and so on so he may be able to sense the familiar life forms in his home.

IT is always shaky anyhow. He uses Bulmas ki as the point to teleport to in the Buu saga when they are using the dragonballs. That either implies he's damn good at it after being in the after life or Bulma sticks out from the rest of the planet ki level wise
Evrery Ki signature is unique.
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Toriyama has explicitly... well, more or less... stated in "Volume F" that he doesn't have to stick with consistency if he doesn't want to, because he's the author.

Oh my...
Link to the quote?
I'd need to contact VegettoEX for that, which I can't exactly do...
I meant the post that VegettoEX made that you quoted lol. But it's okay, I found it.
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Link for the rest of us?
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Here:
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27729&p=923038&hilit=Toriyama+has+explicitly...+well%2C+more+lessSearch%E2%80%A6#p923038
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Does anyone have the actual thing translated? It would be nice to hear AT's wording on it
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So is he admitting that he doesn't care about writing a good story?
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Each chapter of the manga was made up the week before it was due. I don't think Toriyama ever cared much about writing a good story. He's said that the purpose of the manga is just to entertain. I think it's a small percentage of fans who really keep track of everything and care this much about continuity, and most of the fans that do are outside the targeted demographic anyway.
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Like, 90% of authors that write more than a single entry in a series do that, AT is just honest about it.
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superperfectnerd
May 3 2015, 08:49 PM
I suppose he isn't wrong. I wouldn't want him to feel held back after all these years since the original series ended but still, it isn't that hard to rectify inconsistencies if you just try a little surely? It also seems like quite an arrogant thing to say...maybe his favourite character is now Vegeta.
This is literally no different than if JK Rowling came out and said Harry was a flying lesbian cyclops and that even if it didn't fit with the books, screw you, I am the author so I can do whatever I want.

That may be true...but it doesn't stop the story from sucking.

And don't be mistaken, this is arrogance. This is straight up arrogance and it ticks me off more than anything I have ever seen Toriyama do right now. This goes way beyond having bad writing or having bad characters. Having plot holes and inconsistencies, this is just bad writing.

Being unable to admit to your mistakes and inconsistencies and purposely ignoring them? That's being a straight up bad writer.
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While it does annoy me that he's not approaching new material in a cautious manner, I kinda doubt this is gonna lead to a major controversy.
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I think it depends what he changes. I'm 100% fine with changing Boo's backstory, because as far as I remember the only character who said Boo was a creation of Babidi was Kaioshin, and we can just take that to mean:
a) Kaioshin was simply assuming
b) Bibidi lied to make himself look better.

We never SAW Boo get created, so imo while it's not exactly good writing, it's fine.

Things like Freeza knowing Bulma can't really be excused, though that is a tiny example that doesn't affect the plot in any way, but it is a case of something being factually wrong.
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