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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
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Apr 20 2015, 04:47 PM
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Would Freeza just sit there and watch their fight, just waiting to see which Saiyan got the right to kick his ***?
That's sorta what happened, sooooooooooooo...
That's because Freeza knows that he's got another transformation. Vegeta doesn't. Vegeta's presumably thinking that Freeza's shown his full power and doesn't have anything else to give. What would a hypothetical Freeza who doesn't have a transformation do?
That's a loaded question if I've ever seen one. What matters here is that Freeza clearly isn't intent on backing down, so what does Vegeta have to worry about? Especially when he's merely fighting for a turn, not to incapacitate Goku.
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The movie's premise would suggest that he's become a legitimate threat. He changes his mindset, accepts his shortcomings and trains to overcome them... but ends up making literally the exact same mistake he did the last time. Even villains are allowed to have character development; Freeza could really use some of that.

Even if he mastered said Gold form, the movie would still be written in a way where Freeza got his a** kicked. Furthermore, it really wasn't the exact same mistake. Freeza lost the first time because he assumed he was strong enough as he was. In this film, he was strong enough to beat them, but didn't foresee the weakness of the form. What's more, the film had to be written in a way that addressed Goku's and Vegeta's individual weaknesses.
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Vegeta is always tense and slow to react, while Goku is too relaxed and open to attack.
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Apr 20 2015, 04:44 PM
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Apr 20 2015, 04:35 PM
Would Freeza just sit there and watch their fight, just waiting to see which Saiyan got the right to kick his ***?
That's sorta what happened, sooooooooooooo...
That's because Freeza knows that he's got another transformation. Vegeta doesn't. Vegeta's presumably thinking that Freeza's shown his full power and doesn't have anything else to give. What would a hypothetical Freeza who doesn't have a transformation do?
That's a loaded question if I've ever seen one. What matters here is that Freeza clearly isn't intent on backing down, so what does Vegeta have to worry about? Especially when he's merely fighting for a turn, not to incapacitate Goku.
No, Vegeta has no reason to assume that Freeza has the ability to get any stronger right then and there. It's not logical in the slightest to leave an enemy who you know is weaker than you to their own devices, it's leaving Freeza wide open to either attack their allies or blow up the planet.
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Would Freeza just sit there and watch their fight, just waiting to see which Saiyan got the right to kick his ***?
That's sorta what happened, sooooooooooooo...
That's because Freeza knows that he's got another transformation. Vegeta doesn't. Vegeta's presumably thinking that Freeza's shown his full power and doesn't have anything else to give. What would a hypothetical Freeza who doesn't have a transformation do?
That's a loaded question if I've ever seen one. What matters here is that Freeza clearly isn't intent on backing down, so what does Vegeta have to worry about? Especially when he's merely fighting for a turn, not to incapacitate Goku.
No, Vegeta has no reason to assume that Freeza has the ability to get any stronger right then and there. It's not logical in the slightest to leave an enemy who you know is weaker than you to their own devices, it's leaving Freeza wide open to either attack their allies or blow up the planet.
It doesn't matter whether he can or can't. Freeza is showing no signs of desperation, so Vegeta has no reason to worry but the possibility of Freeza destroying Earth.
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I was reading an English translation of the Revival of F manga and I found this panel to be interesting.

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Boo is the strongest next to Goku and Vegeta. He may even be stronger than Gotenks. :rofl:
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Freeza is humiliated four times, needs a henchman to help him, and his golden form ends up half killing him
Ok, but what did you expect from Freeza?
The movie's premise would suggest that he's become a legitimate threat. He changes his mindset, accepts his shortcomings and trains to overcome them... but ends up making literally the exact same mistake he did the last time. Even villains are allowed to have character development; Freeza could really use some of that.
He was a legitimate threat.
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Freeza is humiliated four times, needs a henchman to help him, and his golden form ends up half killing him
Ok, but what did you expect from Freeza?
The movie's premise would suggest that he's become a legitimate threat. He changes his mindset, accepts his shortcomings and trains to overcome them... but ends up making literally the exact same mistake he did the last time. Even villains are allowed to have character development; Freeza could really use some of that.
He was a legitimate threat.
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He was screwed if it weren't for Sorbet. Not to mention destroying the Earth is the equivalent of a ragequit.
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Freeza is humiliated four times, needs a henchman to help him, and his golden form ends up half killing him
Ok, but what did you expect from Freeza?
The movie's premise would suggest that he's become a legitimate threat. He changes his mindset, accepts his shortcomings and trains to overcome them... but ends up making literally the exact same mistake he did the last time. Even villains are allowed to have character development; Freeza could really use some of that.
He was a legitimate threat.
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He was screwed if it weren't for Sorbet. Not to mention destroying the Earth is the equivalent of a ragequit.
Since when do bad guys play fair? That was one of the main points of the movie. Goku's too full of himself and doesn't take thing seriously enough, and Vegeta lets his anger influence him to much and drags out fights to humiliate his opponent. Those are the reasons they each lose to Frieza. Like Beerus said in BOG, "This isn't a game, you're fighting to live.".
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Okay. So... frieza could've won but didn't transform? I take it they warmed up and then seen no other way to end it but by going to their max. So... I see its the same formula as the presumed last fight. Should be interesting. So vegeta doesn't necasarrily die then? Cause whis? Idk. Maybe whis administered all this to show the saiyans their weaknesses. What y'all think?
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Since when do bad guys play fair? That was one of the main points of the movie. Goku's too full of himself and doesn't take thing seriously enough, and Vegeta lets his anger influence him to much and drags out fights to humiliate his opponent. Those are the reasons they each lose to Frieza. Like Beerus said in BOG, "This isn't a game, you're fighting to live.".
Goku didn't lose to Freeza. Freeza was totally and completely defeated. He lost to a guy sneak attacking him with an impossibly powerful Diabolus Ex Machina. Freeza didn't do jack.
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I was reading an English translation of the Revival of F manga and I found this panel to be interesting.

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Boo is the strongest next to Goku and Vegeta. He may even be stronger than Gotenks. :rofl:
Nah... Boo has the candy beam. :p
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Haha that was good one. Turn frieza into a wonka bar since he's gold. Hahaha Jk
All jokes aside I still want to see this. Interesting that vegeta lets goku fight frieza first.
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Since when do bad guys play fair? That was one of the main points of the movie. Goku's too full of himself and doesn't take thing seriously enough, and Vegeta lets his anger influence him to much and drags out fights to humiliate his opponent. Those are the reasons they each lose to Frieza. Like Beerus said in BOG, "This isn't a game, you're fighting to live.".
Goku didn't lose to Freeza. Freeza was totally and completely defeated. He lost to a guy sneak attacking him with an impossibly powerful Diabolus Ex Machina. Freeza didn't do jack.
Like I said, the bad guys obviously don't fight fair. Since when did Frieza agree to a one on one martial arts match with him? He was there to kill him by any means necessary. But Goku and Vegeta made mistakes and ended up getting beat.
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I was reading an English translation of the Revival of F manga and I found this panel to be interesting.

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Boo is the strongest next to Goku and Vegeta. He may even be stronger than Gotenks. :rofl:
Nah... Boo has the candy beam. :p
Not to mention, absorption
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So imagine if buu absorbed a godly being like beerus or whis or even frieza
It would be just another repeat of buu saga. But then again I doubt he can absorb a godly being. Anyways, back on topic
So goku dies too? Or am I missing something here?
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Apr 20 2015, 04:29 PM
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Freeza is humiliated four times, needs a henchman to help him, and his golden form ends up half killing him
Did you watch the film?

No? Please sit down.

Golden Frieza was beating Goku down until Goku stalled for time.
Is it not correct that Freeza's golden form heavily strains him and causes him to lose power? Yeah, I call that nearly killing him the same way I say that 100% was nearly killing him.

As for what I expect from Freeza, IDK, maybe being a threat would be nice. Him having more power than Blueper Saiyan doesn't matter if his energy drain is so bad that he can't inflict damage quickly enough to compensate for the backlash on his own body. Freeza was basically screwed right from the start due to the presence of Vegeta and Whis. Even if he managed to beat Goku, he was doomed. In that regard, he's similar to Abo and Cado in that neither ever had a chance to begin with and as such, there isn't a lot of tension.

But Abo and Cado were not hyped up like Freeza. Abo and Cado were not meant to be taken seriously. Freeza cannot be taken seriously because of the fact that no matter what, he was absolutely screwed in the end. There can be no tension because of the fact that you know that Whis has his hand on the reset button and as such, Freeza can't be credible threat.
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