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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,122 Views)
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This is slightly off the beaten path, but I have a question. Why do people think Freeza was mistreated in this film? What did people expect from Freeza?
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People levy criticisms at Gotenks for a lot of the stuff that he does, despite the fact that it's all gag. Something being a gag doesn't mean that it suddenly disappears from existence and isn't relevant to character development at all.
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Apr 20 2015, 04:15 PM
People levy criticisms at Gotenks for a lot of the stuff that he does, despite the fact that it's all gag. Something being a gag doesn't mean that it suddenly disappears from existence and isn't relevant to character development at all.
Right, but at the same time, what does Vegeta's interference endanger? Is Freeza just gonna suddenly blow up Earth for no reason in that instance? No, Vegeta's actions are not regrettable in this case.
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Apr 20 2015, 04:12 PM
This is slightly off the beaten path, but I have a question. Why do people think Freeza was mistreated in this film? What did people expect from Freeza?
I personally would have preferred if he had lasted a bit longer, but considering the nature of the movie, it made sense.

Perhaps the extended version will help with the pacing.
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Freeza is humiliated four times, needs a henchman to help him, and his golden form ends up half killing him
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Apr 20 2015, 04:25 PM
Freeza is humiliated four times, needs a henchman to help him, and his golden form ends up half killing him
Ok, but what did you expect from Freeza?
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Apr 20 2015, 04:25 PM
Freeza is humiliated four times, needs a henchman to help him, and his golden form ends up half killing him
Did you watch the film?

No? Please sit down.

Golden Frieza was beating Goku down until Goku stalled for time.
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Apr 20 2015, 04:17 PM
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People levy criticisms at Gotenks for a lot of the stuff that he does, despite the fact that it's all gag. Something being a gag doesn't mean that it suddenly disappears from existence and isn't relevant to character development at all.
Right, but at the same time, what does Vegeta's interference endanger? Is Freeza just gonna suddenly blow up Earth for no reason in that instance? No, Vegeta's actions are not regrettable in this case.
Well, when Freeza sees that not only Goku, but Vegeta is stronger than him, what do you think he's going to do? Even if he takes out Goku, there's still Vegeta to contend with. Blowing up the planet would be the most effective way of killing them both and not getting mortally injured in the process. Vegeta decides to fight Goku, who's the only other person who's strong enough to even hold a candle to Freeza, leaving Freeza open to take out the two people who're stronger than him.
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Apr 20 2015, 04:29 PM
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People levy criticisms at Gotenks for a lot of the stuff that he does, despite the fact that it's all gag. Something being a gag doesn't mean that it suddenly disappears from existence and isn't relevant to character development at all.
Right, but at the same time, what does Vegeta's interference endanger? Is Freeza just gonna suddenly blow up Earth for no reason in that instance? No, Vegeta's actions are not regrettable in this case.
Well, when Freeza sees that not only Goku, but Vegeta is stronger than him, what do you think he's going to do? Even if he takes out Goku, there's still Vegeta to contend with. Blowing up the planet would be the most effective way of killing them both and not getting mortally injured in the process. Vegeta decides to fight Goku, who's the only other person who's strong enough to even hold a candle to Freeza, leaving Freeza open to take out the two people who're stronger than him.
This happens before Frieza transforms into his Golden Form. He didn't feel threatened yet.

And suddenly your analysis is pointless.
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Apr 20 2015, 04:29 PM
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People levy criticisms at Gotenks for a lot of the stuff that he does, despite the fact that it's all gag. Something being a gag doesn't mean that it suddenly disappears from existence and isn't relevant to character development at all.
Right, but at the same time, what does Vegeta's interference endanger? Is Freeza just gonna suddenly blow up Earth for no reason in that instance? No, Vegeta's actions are not regrettable in this case.
Well, when Freeza sees that not only Goku, but Vegeta is stronger than him, what do you think he's going to do? Even if he takes out Goku, there's still Vegeta to contend with. Blowing up the planet would be the most effective way of killing them both and not getting mortally injured in the process. Vegeta decides to fight Goku, who's the only other person who's strong enough to even hold a candle to Freeza, leaving Freeza open to take out the two people who're stronger than him.
You seem to lack context. Vegeta is fighting for a turn to fight True Form Freeza in his base form. Both Golden Freeza and SSJGSSJ have yet to be revealed at this point. What's more, Vegeta is practically just as strong as Goku, so taking out Goku wouldn't matter. What's even more, Vegeta is not trying to incapacitate Goku.
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Apr 20 2015, 04:32 PM
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People levy criticisms at Gotenks for a lot of the stuff that he does, despite the fact that it's all gag. Something being a gag doesn't mean that it suddenly disappears from existence and isn't relevant to character development at all.
Right, but at the same time, what does Vegeta's interference endanger? Is Freeza just gonna suddenly blow up Earth for no reason in that instance? No, Vegeta's actions are not regrettable in this case.
Well, when Freeza sees that not only Goku, but Vegeta is stronger than him, what do you think he's going to do? Even if he takes out Goku, there's still Vegeta to contend with. Blowing up the planet would be the most effective way of killing them both and not getting mortally injured in the process. Vegeta decides to fight Goku, who's the only other person who's strong enough to even hold a candle to Freeza, leaving Freeza open to take out the two people who're stronger than him.
This happens before Frieza transforms into his Golden Form. He didn't feel threatened yet.

And suddenly your analysis is pointless.
No, all that matters is Vegeta's point of view. He doesn't think that Freeza has another transformation up his sleeve, so when he starts fighting Goku and takes his attention away from Freeza, what exactly does he think is going to happen? Would Freeza just sit there and watch their fight, just waiting to see which Saiyan got the right to kick his ***?
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Apr 20 2015, 04:35 PM
Would Freeza just sit there and watch their fight, just waiting to see which Saiyan got the right to kick his ***?
That's sorta what happened, sooooooooooooo...
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Apr 20 2015, 04:12 PM
This is slightly off the beaten path, but I have a question. Why do people think Freeza was mistreated in this film? What did people expect from Freeza?
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And to the others, the scene of a Vegeta punching Goku is a gag scene. It was meant to be funny. Goku and Frieza hadn't even transformed yet. There was no reason for either side to be worried at that point.
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Apr 20 2015, 04:44 PM
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Would Freeza just sit there and watch their fight, just waiting to see which Saiyan got the right to kick his ***?
That's sorta what happened, sooooooooooooo...
That's because Freeza knows that he's got another transformation. Vegeta doesn't. Vegeta's presumably thinking that Freeza's shown his full power and doesn't have anything else to give. What would a hypothetical Freeza who doesn't have a transformation do?
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Apr 20 2015, 04:27 PM
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Apr 20 2015, 04:25 PM
Freeza is humiliated four times, needs a henchman to help him, and his golden form ends up half killing him
Ok, but what did you expect from Freeza?
The movie's premise would suggest that he's become a legitimate threat. He changes his mindset, accepts his shortcomings and trains to overcome them... but ends up making literally the exact same mistake he did the last time. Even villains are allowed to have character development; Freeza could really use some of that.
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