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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,125 Views)
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Perhaps it's just SSJ using divine energy, but in that case, I would rather they just look the same. Better to just have a large powerup than an overhyped transformation.
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Apr 19 2015, 01:40 PM
Perhaps it's just SSJ using divine energy, but in that case, I would rather they just look the same. Better to just have a large powerup than an overhyped transformation.
Why though? You seem to be hating it for the sake of hating it.
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These transformations are hyped up a lot. And they turn out to just be a change in color. What's worse is that they don't even look strong in the narrative context. What I mean is that Godku is unable to do much to Beers, Blueper Saiyan gets taken down by Freeza and a Henchman, and Freeza was never going to win in the first place.
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Apr 19 2015, 01:50 PM
These transformations are hyped up a lot. And they turn out to just be a change in color. What's worse is that they don't even look strong in the narrative context. What I mean is that Godku is unable to do much to Beers, Blueper Saiyan gets taken down by Freeza and a Henchman, and Freeza was never going to win in the first place.
They're hyped because of their power, not their appearance. I mean, if you have a problem with these new forms because of their lack of changes, you must have a problem with SSJ2, right? If not, that's entirely hypocritical IMO. God's don't traditionally look strong. The gods of Earth don't look strong, the Kaios don't look strong, most of the Kaioshin don't look strong, Beerus doesn't look strong, so why would Godku look strong? No, Goku himself was taken down because he was at ease. Vegeta would most certainly wouldn't have let that happen. Yes, but Freeza would have won if they didn't have Bluper Saiyajin so it's clearly important.
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Apr 19 2015, 02:42 AM
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Eye of the tiger.

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I'd actually love this.

It'd be like Toriyama saying "Look guys, I know 4 months is a ridiculously small amount of time for Freeza to reach god levels of power but it's a funny Rocky joke."

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Do we know who is playing Frieza in the funimation dub yet? Is it the original or his Kai voice actor?
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These transformations are hyped up a lot. And they turn out to just be a change in color. What's worse is that they don't even look strong in the narrative context. What I mean is that Godku is unable to do much to Beers, Blueper Saiyan gets taken down by Freeza and a Henchman, and Freeza was never going to win in the first place.
They're hyped because of their power, not their appearance. I mean, if you have a problem with these new forms because of their lack of changes, you must have a problem with SSJ2, right? If not, that's entirely hypocritical IMO. God's don't traditionally look strong. The gods of Earth don't look strong, the Kaios don't look strong, most of the Kaioshin don't look strong, Beerus doesn't look strong, so why would Godku look strong? No, Goku himself was taken down because he was at ease. Vegeta would most certainly wouldn't have let that happen. Yes, but Freeza would have won if they didn't have Bluper Saiyajin so it's clearly important.
SSJ2 did look different at the time when it was hyped. That's the difference. When it was the big transformation, it did look very different when Gohan transformed. Vegeta and Goku didn't change much, but at that point, SSJ2 was outdated.

The gods of Earth barely did anything, the Kaios did nothing, and Kaioshin was a joke. They may have been strong at some point, but in the saga they were in, they were completely irrelevant to the plot and didn't do much fighting. Beers makes up for his appearance via beating on another hyped up transformation(though I still do not like him for his personality). Goku and Vegeta were both taken down by sneak attacks, but it still lowers their credibility. If they hadn't been playing around, they could have won in an instant. I mean, Yamcha loses credibility for dying to a kamikaze Saibamen due to being offguard. As for Freeza, he gets trolled four times within the same movie.
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Gohan's hair stood up and gained sparks in his aura. Is that really that different? Freeza's wasn't really a sneak attack, as Vegeta saw it coming, he just couldn't stop it in time. Plus, the entire point of this film is to highlight Goku's and Vegeta's individual weaknesses so they can be corrected by Whis later. Part of why Yamcha being killed by Saibaiman is funny is because Yamcha was a "loser". He very rarely wins anything, and just doesn't make a big impact on the story as a whole.
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Do we know who is playing Frieza in the funimation dub yet? Is it the original or his Kai voice actor?

Chris Sabat wants Chris Ayres to do it.
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SSJ2 Gohan looks very different to MSSJ Gohan. Also, he got a new attitude to go with the transformation, which made it more inspired.

That's another thing. Goku and Vegeta seem to have been repeatedly slapped in the face with the lesson of "don't joke around, just finish the job" yet it never seems to stick. Vegeta's got his monstrous ego back despite supposedly giving it up in BOG. There's no need to go backwards in their character development.
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Apr 19 2015, 02:55 PM
SSJ2 Gohan looks very different to MSSJ Gohan. Also, he got a new attitude to go with the transformation, which made it more inspired.

That's another thing. Goku and Vegeta seem to have been repeatedly slapped in the face with the lesson of "don't joke around, just finish the job" yet it never seems to stick. Vegeta's got his monstrous ego back despite supposedly giving it up in BOG. There's no need to go backwards in their character development.
Vegeta's ego never vanished, he just knew he stood no chance against Beerus, and adjusted for the sake of his friends and family. With Freeza, there was most certainly a chance.
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Apr 19 2015, 02:55 PM
SSJ2 Gohan looks very different to MSSJ Gohan. Also, he got a new attitude to go with the transformation, which made it more inspired.

That's another thing. Goku and Vegeta seem to have been repeatedly slapped in the face with the lesson of "don't joke around, just finish the job" yet it never seems to stick. Vegeta's got his monstrous ego back despite supposedly giving it up in BOG. There's no need to go backwards in their character development.
Beerus was a little different. Vegeta knew he was absolutely dwarfed by Beerus.

I know you say that Vegeta doesn't 'deserve' to defeat Freeza but it's in character for him to want to take his sweet time with him and defeat him by himself.
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I've gotten over that. I don't particularily like Vegeta beating Freeza due to him acting like a prick in this movie, but Goku is worse.

Of course it's in character, but I would have assumed that after being humiliated so many times, Vegeta would have learned to stop messing around. Goku isn't innocent of it either
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The thing I'm annoyed at is the fact that Vegeta goes totally overboard with it.

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That's my problem. It seems like no one is learning from their mistakes.
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Apr 19 2015, 03:31 PM
The thing I'm annoyed at is the fact that Vegeta goes totally overboard with it.

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