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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,134 Views)
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Apr 14 2015, 12:01 AM
If old villains are brought back, I'd love for the Shadow Dragons to be remade.
The concept behind them was my favourite part of GT, perfect final villains, but their designs, and powers, and strength, should really, really be massively redone. Their roles maybe not, Nuova should still be honourable and noble, Eis a weasel and so on, but I don't think they should be as ridiculously lame as Haze and Naturon were. I mean Haze had pollution which could of been great, but he was worthless, over half of the shadow dragons only lasted an episode each. Black Smoke Shenron would be cool too.

Syn would be mostly okay, just needs a little redesigning to seem intimidating and not look like a steroid abusing Twi'lek. Nuova and Eis need different heads, the Popo lips are far too goofy, the others besides maybe Oceanus should really be changed completely. Haze = fat Shenron really doesn't work as a villain.

Still great personalities and roles, and a good origin, just badly executed for the most part.
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I really liked Naturon, actually. The fact that he was just playing stupid in order to lure in Pan for absorption was interesting. Haze wasn't all that bad either, just needed more special attacks. I would disagree with Syn, his design was badass and actually practical, what with using the spikes for Dragon Thunder
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If we're talking old villains I would go with Cell!

He actually has everything he already needs to justify a power boost. Actually he would essentially be stronger than any known person in the universe outside of the gods of course.

He has Freezas and Seiya potential..he has regeneration 10× better than anyone outside Buu. If he trained then they might as well just throw the white flag because this show is a wrap.
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Apr 13 2015, 11:03 PM
How did Freeza not learn ki sensing after months despite Vegeta learning it in days? I really hate this potrayal of Freeza as a jackass who is as smart as Broly. I mean, he still hasn't learned his lesson about stamina, he doesn't blow up the Earth from space, and he never trained despite being paranoid of Saiyans. Freeza isn't an intimidating villain when he's being used as a plot device to show off the power of other people every single time.
When did Frieza see anyone sense ki?


I mean Vegeta saw them sense Gokus approach without the scouter.


The most Frieza has seen is someone suppress power, which he himself can do. He never sees the others sense ki as they don't sense the arrival of piccolo or Goku until they are right there on the battlefield since they are too wrapped up on trying to stay alive. ... You can argue the one thing he saw, he learned, which was how to transform into a golden state himself (Vegeta and Goku troll him by being blue but still)
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Apr 14 2015, 12:01 AM
If old villains are brought back, I'd love for the Shadow Dragons to be remade.
Honestly, they were one of the maybe 3 things GT did right. Except Haze and Rage Shenron.

I'd love to see what AT did with them if given the chance.
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Apr 14 2015, 12:35 AM
I really liked Naturon, actually. The fact that he was just playing stupid in order to lure in Pan for absorption was interesting. Haze wasn't all that bad either, just needed more special attacks. I would disagree with Syn, his design was badass and actually practical, what with using the spikes for Dragon Thunder


I meant physical design. These are meant to be dragons, not moles, bats and inverted armadillos. Their personalities and how they were shown were fine, but their physical designs would need changing a lot. Rage and Naturon especially, Haze because he's just a fat Shenron, the elemental twins because what even is that? And Syn because he really doesn't look worthwhile as a villain. The spikes can stay, they are practical, but besides that it's just a bad design, the dragon balls in his chest for his omega form are fine though.

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Apr 14 2015, 01:31 AM
If we're talking old villains I would go with Cell!

He actually has everything he already needs to justify a power boost. Actually he would essentially be stronger than any known person in the universe outside of the gods of course.

He has Freezas and Seiya potential..he has regeneration 10× better than anyone outside Buu. If he trained then they might as well just throw the white flag because this show is a wrap.


Just no.

No more recycled Z villains. Cell actually stood well overall as a villain, unlike Freiza who lost it before his demise, so this new movie didn't bring him down much. Cell was so close, he actually was far more threatening, and that's why he SHOULDN'T return. Overusing a cliche, an already overused thing, is a bad idea, no more reused villains. The Shadow Dragons would be an exception because they can be made very unique and different just based around the same concept. Cell is still Cell. No.
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So anything about Krillin having surpassed 100% Frieza??? :'(
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Apr 14 2015, 10:52 PM
So anything about Krillin having surpassed 100% Frieza??? :'(
No. I don't even know how you'd make that work honestly. Kuririn is the strongest Earthling, and he practically maxed out by the time the Artificial Humans showed up.
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BOG:

Frieza (100%)> Base Goku (pre-God) > Vegeta > Trunks > Goten > Krillin

In RF, there is no reason for the latter of that chain to have changed.
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Nothing would contradict anything in the Android Saga if Krillin were stronger now. Just that it was never noted that he surpassed Frieza.
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Apr 14 2015, 11:06 PM
Nothing would contradict anything in the Android Saga if Krillin were stronger now. Just that it was never noted that he surpassed Frieza.
Base Saiyans be weaker than Frieza in BOG.

Krillin be much weaker than Base Saiyans.

Pretty simple. :'(
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Apr 14 2015, 11:07 PM
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Apr 14 2015, 11:06 PM
Nothing would contradict anything in the Android Saga if Krillin were stronger now. Just that it was never noted that he surpassed Frieza.
Base Saiyans be weaker than Frieza in BOG.

Krillin be much weaker than Base Saiyans.

Pretty simple. :'(
Yeah but...different interpretations. :|

Is that still a thing?
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Apr 14 2015, 03:15 AM
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Apr 14 2015, 12:01 AM
If old villains are brought back, I'd love for the Shadow Dragons to be remade.
Honestly, they were one of the maybe 3 things GT did right. Except Haze and Rage Shenron.

I'd love to see what AT did with them if given the chance.
He'd make Goku solo them in his new pink SSJ form.
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