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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
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Apr 10 2015, 01:35 AM
I kinda want to know how it looks on film, I actually like the form maybe even more than the just Super Saiyan God Mode in the Battle of Gods movie. Damn though Frieza is strong as f*** compared to before, for them to have to go another level to defeat him woah. Does anyone have the spoilers on how the movie ends? HOLY s***^^
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Pumping that s*** out quick hmm^ Vegeta better get that form, dude deserves it after the way Frieza owned him in the Frieza saga.
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He gets it. But at the same time, he doesn't
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The way I see it, if there are any further god forms they will just drain of colour more. I mean, Whis' dialogue in BOG and Xenoverse suggests he wants to have someone ready to replace Beerus as God of Destruction should he die, and he's training the both of them to reach that kind of level, destruction is the herald of death and white is symbolic of death in some Asian cultures.

By the final transformation I suspect the eyes will look like Broly's (pure white, or maybe glowing white like Asura's from Asura's Wrath) and the skin and hair will likely look like it's made of some kind of solid energy, maybe the hair more than skin.

I now have a sneaking suspicious Beerus or Whis will be the final villain, actually...Hmm...
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Beers is a pompous t*** and Whis will never be intimidating. Even if he gains a new transformation or something, everyone will remember the androgynous guy he was before.

As for Goku becoming the God of Destruction, that sounds incredibly depressing, so it likely won't happen. Remember, AT considered Beers being a spirit that could possess Goku too dark.
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Part of what makes Whis awesome is that he ain't intimidating, but he can still kick your a**.
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Apr 10 2015, 02:48 AM
Beers is a pompous t*** and Whis will never be intimidating. Even if he gains a new transformation or something, everyone will remember the androgynous guy he was before.

As for Goku becoming the God of Destruction, that sounds incredibly depressing, so it likely won't happen. Remember, AT considered Beers being a spirit that could possess Goku too dark.
Exactly, but can you truly see Beerus being at all happy that he might be replaced? And I think that trait to Whis is perfect for a villain. Have any of the Dragon Ball villains really been imposing? Perhaps some of the Shadow Dragons, but even they looked ridiculous, have you seen Nuova and Eis Shenron's lips? I guess that bodysnatched Mr Popo and his clone.

Whis being that way would be eerily comforting, a false sense of security kind of thing. He acts so calmly and positively likely because he knows absolutely nothing is going to bother him, much like Chakravartin and other god characters like him. He is indifferent to the idea of countless planets being destroyed and only seems to do anything important or drastic if people he takes an interest in require it, such as doing his best Marty McFly for Goku to save the world.

I can totally see him decided that Beerus has become worthless or useless and just eradicating him and expecting either Goku or Vegeta (or both) to fill that role, but instead they rebel against him, he goes full power mode, everyone gets wrecked, he gets prepared to do blah blah blah major plot point and so on, Goku and Vegeta get themselves together and go on to the final battle at full power, hopefully somehow the rest of the cast gets something worthwhile to do and we see teen Gotenks at last, Goku accesses this final form in desperation and the two of them manage to defeat Whis, Vegeta is ready to spare him but Goku, driven by the state of the form, kills him and is compelled to destroy. Whis is like the ultimate God so with him all god ki vanishes except for that of Goku's, who has figuratively taken his place. Vegeta is outraged with Kakarot being such a fool and proceeds to take him on alone, overpowers him without having to resort to that form and wins, bringing Goku back to his senses, removing the last of the god ki and returning everything to normal. This battle would likely be on a gigantic scale, and I would like to believe that is why Vegeta says in the very final chapter that if he and Goku were to fight, they would need an entire planet.

With the loss of god ki, they are brought down closer to the level of the rest of the cast which allows for the transition into their EOZ levels, and if AT so wishes, allows for the possibility of other universes actually being a threat as opposed to just Beam->Punch=Dead. Everybody wins.

It may be a bit dark but come on, that'd be pretty awesome even if just for the Goku vs Vegeta fight.
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Blushing constantly, stepping in poo, and dressing like a fop kind of flushes that down the toilet. He's just got enough history to where he'll never overcome it. He's like Pegasus, except Pegasus was actually funny. Whis is just embarassing

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Beers's problem rises more from his attitude. He's not a villain, he's a bully. A bully with too much power who needed a spanking when he was a child, but not really a true villain like the others.

And the difference is that Chakravartin wasn't blushing and going "ohohoho!" over eating sushi. Comparing him to other godly characters doesn't work because Whis is presented as an absolute joke. He is mostly there for comedic relief. You can compare him more so to Pegasus, but Pegasus was just the starter villain of the series. He wasn't a final boss in anyway.

As for your suggested plot, I can't help but feel that you desperately want Vegeta to be relevant. Not to mention it reeks of a badly written retcon with all of the godly ki disappearing and stuff. And it's too dark for AT.

You must understand that a Baby style plot was too dark for AT(since Beers was basically a spirit who could possess people at first).
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Whis's character is kickass IMO.
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He's like a less funny and infinitely more foppish Pegasus. Who comes with retcon powers that make me despise him even more.
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Beers's problem rises more from his attitude. He's not a villain, he's a bully. A bully with too much power who needed a spanking when he was a child, but not really a true villain like the others.

And the difference is that Chakravartin wasn't blushing and going "ohohoho!" over eating sushi. Comparing him to other godly characters doesn't work because Whis is presented as an absolute joke. He is mostly there for comedic relief. You can compare him more so to Pegasus, but Pegasus was just the starter villain of the series. He wasn't a final boss in anyway.

As for your suggested plot, I can't help but feel that you desperately want Vegeta to be relevant. Not to mention it reeks of a badly written retcon with all of the godly ki disappearing and stuff. And it's too dark for AT.

You must understand that a Baby style plot was too dark for AT(since Beers was basically a spirit who could possess people at first).
I agree on Beerus, but bullies can grow to be worse things over time.

I don't desperately want Vegeta to be relevant, he's just really the only person that can fill the role. If you flip it around then Vegeta has had no progression at all, Goku likewise never has to grow up or take responsibility, and the fight would likely be over too quickly. Battles are usually won by those with the stronger cause so even if Vegeta were weaker he'd still win in the end in my version of events, giving a much better "equal standings" ending that was implied in the final chapter. There's simply no other way to do it.

As for retcon, there's no options for that either. He retconned himself as soon as he started writing again, not that he hasn't done it countless other times in the past anyway. "Okay, I'll make Bardock a real character in my series" is one thing.
To be able to get things to the way they are in EOZ, something like that has to happen, otherwise he's going to have to change the ending of his manga, and that ending has been in place for about 20 years now, that would sit far worse with the fans.

As for being too dark, possibly, but when you go back and read the Namek saga, or Future Trunks' timeline, I don't think an angry and destructive Goku is much of a stretch. That's entirely what he became the first time he went Super Saiyan, so it'd just be on a much higher power scale.

So I do understand that it may be dark. But considering things he wrote all that time ago? And considering he's now written Freiza kamikaze-ing the Earth? I really don't think that's a reason to debunk my idea.

I'm obviously not saying that's how it'll be, that's just something I'd really like to see done. Great action, fairly decent plot, at least on a self contained level, and it resolves some issues to bring it back in line with the ending of the manga, whether it's a bit out of nowhere or convenient really doesn't matter with this series, does it? You may be capable of arguing against that, if only a purple haired boy from the future didn't conveniently deliver medicine for Goku's heart disease.
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I am aware of this, but Beers has not shown any sign of this. I doubt he trains all that much, given that the instant Goku went SSJ against him, Beers was losing in pure melee and had to resort to ki blast spamming and using the Earth as a hostage.

That is true. Vegeta and Goku though have both become such douches in the recent films, literally anyone is a better candidate than them to be the main character. As for Vegeta beating Goku while weaker, that would imply Vegeta fighting smart which could be an interesting twist, but it's still DBZ. Vegeta isn't going to win with a lower level unless he has meat shields.

Or perhaps just write off the BOG movies as non-canon. That's a lot simpler.

Future Trunks barely had any focus put on his timeline in the manga. Most of the dystopia came from the anime. As for the Freeza Saga, Goku still retained his mind for the most part. The fact that even a spirit possessing Goku is too dark means that Goku going evil out of power corruption is out of the question. Power corruption isn't the problem, that happened to Vegeta, the problem is that it's Goku being corrupted. Also, I was unaware Freeza killed himself when he exploded the Earth but regardless, that whole thing ends up being treated like a minor inconvenience because Daddy Whis can just bail them out. You know that it's meaningless.

The Trunks comparison isn't the same thing. Trunks's arrival introduced the virus in the first place, it wasn't like Goku had shown any sign of it before. Not to mention that it wasn't as bad was Whis's instant time travel fixes. And all the god ki disappearing makes no sense, Kibitoshin would still be alive, wouldn't he? He has god ki. Also, why would Whis be the resovoir of all god ki?
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P1. I am aware of this, but Beers has not shown any sign of this. I doubt he trains all that much, given that the instant Goku went SSJ against him, Beers was losing in pure melee and had to resort to ki blast spamming and using the Earth as a hostage.

P2.That is true. Vegeta and Goku though have both become such douches in the recent films, literally anyone is a better candidate than them to be the main character. As for Vegeta beating Goku while weaker, that would imply Vegeta fighting smart which could be an interesting twist, but it's still DBZ. Vegeta isn't going to win with a lower level unless he has meat shields.

P3.Or perhaps just write off the BOG movies as non-canon. That's a lot simpler.

P4. Future Trunks barely had any focus put on his timeline in the manga. Most of the dystopia came from the anime. As for the Freeza Saga, Goku still retained his mind for the most part. The fact that even a spirit possessing Goku is too dark means that Goku going evil out of power corruption is out of the question. Power corruption isn't the problem, that happened to Vegeta, the problem is that it's Goku being corrupted. Also, I was unaware Freeza killed himself when he exploded the Earth but regardless, that whole thing ends up being treated like a minor inconvenience because Daddy Whis can just bail them out. You know that it's meaningless.

P5.The Trunks comparison isn't the same thing. Trunks's arrival introduced the virus in the first place, it wasn't like Goku had shown any sign of it before. Not to mention that it wasn't as bad was Whis's instant time travel fixes. And all the god ki disappearing makes no sense, Kibitoshin would still be alive, wouldn't he? He has god ki. Also, why would Whis be the resovoir of all god ki?
P1. His melee display on Earth against the Z warriors makes me doubt this, it's likely he just got impatient, which is also very in-character.

P2. Which is the entire point of those two being in those positions, it allows Vegeta to complete the maturity he started vs Buu and he began to progress through in BOG. He took a step back this movie, sure, which is why he needs to be able to step up and fight for a real cause, which would be his progression, fighting to win against Goku not because of their rivalry, but because of what id as stake.

Likewise, Goku needs to be taken down a few notches. He's far too arrogant and cocky, and as this movie shows, only takes things seriously when it's too late. If he lost himself like that and had to be taken down it would make him take real responsibility and have to grow up a bit too, these two need this kind of progression to become the guardians of Earth they are portrayed as, even if they keep fighting most of the time for the battle itself, they need to grow to handle situations seriously too.

As for the power gap, it wouldn't be impossibly large, and fighting smart would allow him to defeat Goku if he wished (A la Yasha vs Asura) even if he was at a disadvantage. It would also show that the Saiyan's don't need an outside source to be the powerful warrior race they're meant to be, their own power can carry them. Vegeta could easily outsmart a focused Goku if he wanted to fight that way, so an angered and unfocused Goku wouldn't be much harder, could probably wear him down quicker too.

P3. They've been getting advertised as new canon material and added to the fictional canon by AT himself, they won't do that, and retcons have always been more his style.

P4.Still had the Z fighters massacred, the Earth living in terror of the genocidal androids and constant destruction. As for Goku, not necessarily losing his mind as more having it twisted, I wouldn't say evil, Beerus is meant to destroy to allow for more creation, so it's more of a balance than an evil force.

I'd assume Freiza kills himself too, he supposedly detonated the blast into the Earth directly under himself, probably as a "I may die but I'll take everything with me" move. And even without that, let's not forget Buu's human extinction.

P5. No, the Trunks comparison is worse, actually. It creates a problem that already instantly has the solution thus poses no actual threat and is conveniently written off before it occurs. It likely only happened to allow Vegeta to show of his blonde hair.

With Whis, it would make sense IF Whis is revealed to be the overall, ultimate god of the DBverse, above Kaioshins and such. This is why I suggest he be the source of it, and it would likely reveal why he is so strong yet so aloof, and has such game-breaking powers as time manipulation. I mean, he's the master of the god of Destruction. Surely that means he is on a higher plain than an actual god itself?

As for it all disappearing, I suppose, but it is again the only real fix for what AT has written himself into. If it is given one original source, and that is destroyed, then it allows for all of those little errors and loose ends to be swept away quietly. As for the other gods, there could likely be some focus on the conflict from the realisation that if Whis dies/all god ki is removed, the universe will be left godless, and then Goku and Vegeta really will have to be guardians.

(Huh, and there you have it, that's how the rest of the cast can be relevant, stalling or fighting the other gods who may try and intervene and stop Goku and Vegeta.)
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I kinda want to know how it looks on film, I actually like the form maybe even more than the just Super Saiyan God Mode in the Battle of Gods movie. Damn though Frieza is strong as f*** compared to before, for them to have to go another level to defeat him woah. Does anyone have the spoilers on how the movie ends? HOLY s***^^
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I kinda want to know how it looks on film, I actually like the form maybe even more than the just Super Saiyan God Mode in the Battle of Gods movie. Damn though Frieza is strong as f*** compared to before, for them to have to go another level to defeat him woah. Does anyone have the spoilers on how the movie ends? HOLY s***^^
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Maybe a bit ridiculous, but the continuity error with his bangs here drives me up a wall.
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