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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,156 Views)
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Freeza came back for no reason it seems.. Akira Toriyama is seriously running out of good plot development. I was very disappointed reading the synopsis. .like really?? I'm out.
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To be fair, if Freeza wasn't revived, the movie would simply amount to a glorified training session. Freeza was used to further the understanding of Goku's and Vegeta's individual weaknesses. They still need to learn to work together though.
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To be fair, if Freeza wasn't revived, the movie would simply amount to a glorified training session. Freeza was used to further the understanding of Goku's and Vegeta's individual weaknesses. They still need to learn to work together though.
Or they would have used a new villian to stand if Freeza's place. Either way this movie seems like it's about showing off Goku and Vegeta's newfound powers, the extent of their training, and having one giant, glorious battle.

If that is the case, I would rather save the original villian for a more plot heavy movie and have Freeza do what he is doing in F: help service the action. I'm still a bit peeved about another transformation but that's my only gripe so far and I can live with it.
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To be fair, if Freeza wasn't revived, the movie would simply amount to a glorified training session. Freeza was used to further the understanding of Goku's and Vegeta's individual weaknesses. They still need to learn to work together though.
Or they would have used a new villian to stand if Freeza's place. Either way this movie seems like it's about showing off Goku and Vegeta's newfound powers, the extent of their training, and having one giant, glorious battle.

If that is the case, I would rather save the original villian for a more plot heavy movie and have Freeza do what he is doing in F: help service the action. I'm still a bit peeved about another transformation but that's my only gripe so far and I can live with it.
And just who would this new villain be? Another God of Destruction? They haven't exactly traversed any of the other universes yet, as they've been training. Besides, why waste a new villain on a story that focuses on Goku's and Vegeta's training? It's best to hold off on that, at least IMO.
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Apr 6 2015, 03:54 PM
To be fair, if Freeza wasn't revived, the movie would simply amount to a glorified training session. Freeza was used to further the understanding of Goku's and Vegeta's individual weaknesses. They still need to learn to work together though.
Or they would have used a new villian to stand if Freeza's place. Either way this movie seems like it's about showing off Goku and Vegeta's newfound powers, the extent of their training, and having one giant, glorious battle.

If that is the case, I would rather save the original villian for a more plot heavy movie and have Freeza do what he is doing in F: help service the action. I'm still a bit peeved about another transformation but that's my only gripe so far and I can live with it.
And just who would this new villain be? Another God of Destruction? They haven't exactly traversed any of the other universes yet, as they've been training. Besides, why waste a new villain on a story that focuses on Goku's and Vegeta's training? It's best to hold off on that, at least IMO.
That's exactly what I am saying. If it wasn't Freeza, it would be an original villian, and I would rather save an new antagonist for a less action oriented story. Since Fukkatsu No F seems to be an action first story, I think Freeza is the better option since he doesn't require as much time to introduce.

As for who it would be, I dunno. Maybe the guy who trained Whis? Like I said, we on the same page for this one, Prince.
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Is that what sells in Japan? Some new ridiculous transformation? Goku and vegeta training..this movie should be a filler. You don't bring back an iconic villain like Freeza to throw him in the trash...I know I'm not alone in that. I was expecting a well executed plot..something interesting. A child could of wrote this story..but then again I might have outgrown the show. ..and yes I'm venting.
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I am a bit disappointed reading the synopsis, but I am going to hold any true judgment until I see the film this Saturday.
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Apr 6 2015, 05:04 PM
You don't bring back an iconic villain like Freeza to throw him in the trash...
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Is that what sells in Japan? Some new ridiculous transformation? Goku and vegeta training..this movie should be a filler. You don't bring back an iconic villain like Freeza to throw him in the trash...I know I'm not alone in that. I was expecting a well executed plot..something interesting. A child could of wrote this story..but then again I might have outgrown the show. ..and yes I'm venting.
Just what were you expecting? I never put too much stock into the idea that this movie would end on a cliffhanger where Freeza won or got away. Yes, Freeza was ultimately humiliated, but he also reached Godku's level in a mere 4 months. It just goes to show why this guy was touted as the emperor of the Universe. And just what do you mean by well executed plot? Dragon Ball has never been all that tightly written.
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You don't bring back an iconic villain like Freeza to throw him in the trash...
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One of many mistakes by our dear Akira Toriyama. Surely there could of been a better way to show off Trunks power. Nobody advised him that he was unintentionally discrediting what the Namek saga ment to the readers. Even then I kept at it because I did enjoy the android and cell Saga greatly.
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Is that what sells in Japan? Some new ridiculous transformation? Goku and vegeta training..this movie should be a filler. You don't bring back an iconic villain like Freeza to throw him in the trash...I know I'm not alone in that. I was expecting a well executed plot..something interesting. A child could of wrote this story..but then again I might have outgrown the show. ..and yes I'm venting.
Just what were you expecting? I never put too much stock into the idea that this movie would end on a cliffhanger where Freeza won or got away. Yes, Freeza was ultimately humiliated, but he also reached Godku's level in a mere 4 months. It just goes to show why this guy was touted as the emperor of the Universe. And just what do you mean by well executed plot? Dragon Ball has never been all that tightly written.
This is 2015..a lot, if not most of the Dragon Ball fans are adults now. I was expecting a deeper story and a real threat. What is the point of a villain if he's not a threat? As a vegeta fan did this make you feel any redemption at all? The mighty Freeza returns stronger than ever..surely Vegeta would be a focus..surely vegeta would dig deep inside him to finally defeat the one he once feared and hated.

I won't even go into everything they could of done.. I'll just use that one simple point. If Akira Toriyama wanted to give us a fan service with Vegeta defeating Freeza and matching Goku. Then I say he did a mighty piss poor job.

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I don't think Vegeta deserves any sort of redemption so to speak. He got what he deserved. He DID humiliate Freeza, though, and that's good enough for me I suppose.
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I was thinking of something the other day. How did we not see frieza coming back? Like honestly. Cause when beerus woke up he couldn't believe a saiyan destroyed frieza. Ig even beerus and whis knew how dangerous frieza was. I mean c'mon. The god of destruction even knew frieza wasn't a pushover. Idk. Cell and buu are stronger but like frieza said. He didn't train. So now that he did some training ig it can make some sense that he's a lot stronger. Even than a god. He was once called ruler of the universe
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Freeza's lack of training is nonsensical for the reason that Goku says Freeza's skills need polish, not that they don't exist. Also he can create homing Death Saucers, so he has some knowledge of ki manipulation. And he was capable of matching Piccolo in a melee when forced to close quarters.

And the reason Beers is incredulous about that is because the strongest saiyan he would have seen would have been wrecked by Cui
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What does Goku know'? His own skills were on par with Roshi despite nebevr actually training seriously in martial arts. He was a prodigy back then himself
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