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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
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Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,165 Views)
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superperfectnerd
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Apr 2 2015, 04:14 PM
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I disagree wholeheartedly with the claim or opinion that Frieza is a worthless villain and isn't relevant. I think Frieza will always be the main villain or the most fear by Goku, Vegeta and everyone else. It wouldn't matter how weak or strong Frieza became/becomes. Everyone will always somewhat hesitate or be unsure if they should just blast the guy and risk Frieza being a whole lot stronger than they figured he may be...
What I am trying to stress and get people to acknowledge, is simply that Frieza will always be relevant. It's always been the case that people love Frieza, and hate Frieza too. That's any villain in the series that gets that love/hate. Akira knows this and it's likely a big reason why he brought Frieza back for a major role in a movie as the biggest threat to Earth currently. None of us can say there's nothing more that can be done with Frieza because none of us are Akira. He writes out the scripts, of course with other people too obviously, draws the characters, you see what I am getting at. So to say there's nothing that can be done with Frieza anymore is just an opinion that isn't true in any sort of way other than to the individuals claiming it. Akira will come up with a way or reason to develop a character that's been out of the story for a while if he thinks it's a good idea. If nothing further can be done with a character, that's for Akira to decide, and none of our opinions against it make a difference on the matter haha.
But, I do get it's mainly a disappointment issue with those that don't like Frieza being the villain for this movie, and there's nothing really wrong with that. A lot of us wanted to get a new villain, because Beerus turned out to be pretty much another ally than anything else, Whis included. Maybe next movie guys? I think we might get that with the next one, even if Frieza is in it somehow.
Anyway. I just think that however long DBZ keeps going, that Frieza will always come back eventually. Regardless of feelings about Frieza. He's still the most iconic villain of the entire anime.
Fact.
Spoiler: click to toggle I love Freeza but the disappointment thus far comes from him seemingly being less threatening than he was before. Namek Freeza was insurmountable, he just kept getting more and more powerful, with more and more transformations, easily brushing off anything his opponents threw at him.
This time he's outclassed from the get go and there are 2...nay 4 people who can end him. He has the luck of a surprise attack from Sorbet but other than that he was always going to lose. Vegeta was waiting in the wings to step in, Beerus and Whis were floating not far off and Goku was back up and raring to go after a senzu. Throw in the time travel option or fusion and Freeza really had no chance at all.
This is another reason why people speculated from the trailer that it wouldn't go down that way. Goku was killed/too injured to fight and the other good guys taken down whilst Vegeta was preoccupied somewhere else and when he arrived he had to fight Freeza by himself. Also maybe even Freeza > Goku/Vegeta > Whis > Beerus. But it turns out Whis > Goku/Vegeta > Beerus > Freeza.
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Apr 2 2015, 04:14 PM
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- Apr 2 2015, 04:08 PM
Spoiler: click to toggle Goku and vegeta are "gods" now I mean shouldn't there be some kind of other ability they have now other than just "I'll punch you harder now"? Beerus whis and all the other gods get special abilities why not saiyan gods? I'm guessing because they're a warrior race and that other stuff doesn't really matter to them but at least make them able to breathe in space
Spoiler: click to toggle That's true. And at their power levels any fight could end up by blowing up the planet and then continue the fight in space
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Apr 2 2015, 04:26 PM
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I would like to point out that Goku and Vegeta are not true Gods. They absorbed the Godly ki, but that is it.
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Apr 2 2015, 04:28 PM
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- Apr 2 2015, 04:26 PM
I would like to point out that Goku and Vegeta are not true Gods. They absorbed the Godly ki, but that is it. What do you mean? So they don't fight in their God forms?
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Apr 2 2015, 04:39 PM
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The synopsis explains that their new blue-haired forms are essentially SSJ fused or running off Godly ki.
It is not the same thing as being in the SSJG state and transforming into a SSJ.
SSJG appears over Goku while he is training with Whis. This alone should tell you that the two are not the same.
A true SSJG transformed would likely decimate Whis and Beerus.
Edited by sekzee, Apr 2 2015, 04:40 PM.
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Apr 2 2015, 04:44 PM
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- Apr 2 2015, 04:39 PM
The synopsis explains that their new blue-haired forms are essentially SSJ fused or running off Godly ki.
It is not the same thing as being in the SSJG state and transforming into a SSJ.
SSJG appears over Goku while he is training with Whis. This alone should tell you that the two are not the same.
A true SSJG transformed would likely decimate Whis and Beerus. What? Lol sorry, I don't get it. I was told that they're some kind of mastered version of ssj God
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Apr 2 2015, 04:46 PM
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It's all speculation.
Spoiler: click to toggle "Goku says it’s hard to explain, but basically it’s Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God."
It's not Super Saiyan God with Super Saiyan.
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Apr 2 2015, 04:48 PM
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- Apr 2 2015, 04:46 PM
It's all speculation. Spoiler: click to toggle "Goku says it’s hard to explain, but basically it’s Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God." It's not Super Saiyan God with Super Saiyan.  Goku did the same thing in Bog
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Apr 2 2015, 04:49 PM
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- Apr 2 2015, 04:46 PM
It's all speculation. Spoiler: click to toggle "Goku says it’s hard to explain, but basically it’s Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God." It's not Super Saiyan God with Super Saiyan. 
Spoiler: click to toggle i think understand. It's ssj running on God ki, not ssj god+ssj. Is the end result better? What's stronger? Ssj God or this new blue form?
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Apr 2 2015, 04:50 PM
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It's all speculation. Spoiler: click to toggle "Goku says it’s hard to explain, but basically it’s Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God." It's not Super Saiyan God with Super Saiyan. 
Goku did the same thing in Bog I guess you can call it "mastered" then, but it was obviously not the same thing.
By the way, I found this tid bit rather important and possibly hinting at something greater for the next film...
Spoiler: click to toggle "Beerus notes that Vegeta isn’t fighting together with Goku, and that the two of them are just too proud. Beerus calls them both fools, which Whis says is just like the God himself."
...just like the God himself?
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Apr 2 2015, 04:51 PM
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It's all speculation. Spoiler: click to toggle "Goku says it’s hard to explain, but basically it’s Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God." It's not Super Saiyan God with Super Saiyan. 
Goku did the same thing in Bog
I guess you can call it "mastered" then, but it was obviously not the same thing. By the way, I found this tid bit rather important and possibly hinting at something greater for the next film... Spoiler: click to toggle "Beerus notes that Vegeta isn’t fighting together with Goku, and that the two of them are just too proud. Beerus calls them both fools, which Whis says is just like the God himself." ...just like the God himself? Whaaaat the f***??
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It's all speculation. Spoiler: click to toggle "Goku says it’s hard to explain, but basically it’s Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God." It's not Super Saiyan God with Super Saiyan. 
Goku did the same thing in Bog To elaborate on this...
Goku reverted to base after absorbing the Godly ki and transformed purely on instinct.
This is SSJ running on Godly ki. I guess that is the difference between the two.
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Another thought...SSJG likely does exceed Beerus' power, as SSJG was able to absorb Beerus' blast. The limitation is likely the vessel. The SSJG we saw is likely an incomplete transformation, and the new form we see is closer to its true form, but not quite there yet either.
Edited by sekzee, Apr 2 2015, 04:56 PM.
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Apr 2 2015, 05:02 PM
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It's all speculation. Spoiler: click to toggle "Goku says it’s hard to explain, but basically it’s Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God." It's not Super Saiyan God with Super Saiyan. 
Goku did the same thing in Bog
I guess you can call it "mastered" then, but it was obviously not the same thing. By the way, I found this tid bit rather important and possibly hinting at something greater for the next film... Spoiler: click to toggle "Beerus notes that Vegeta isn’t fighting together with Goku, and that the two of them are just too proud. Beerus calls them both fools, which Whis says is just like the God himself." ...just like the God himself?
Spoiler: click to toggle Isn't Whis just referring to Beerus there?
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Apr 2 2015, 05:02 PM
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It's all speculation. Spoiler: click to toggle "Goku says it’s hard to explain, but basically it’s Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God." It's not Super Saiyan God with Super Saiyan. 
Goku did the same thing in Bog
I guess you can call it "mastered" then, but it was obviously not the same thing. By the way, I found this tid bit rather important and possibly hinting at something greater for the next film... Spoiler: click to toggle "Beerus notes that Vegeta isn’t fighting together with Goku, and that the two of them are just too proud. Beerus calls them both fools, which Whis says is just like the God himself." ...just like the God himself?
Spoiler: click to toggle Whis is saying that Goku and Vegeta are as proud as Beerus himself. They just didn't want to write 'Beerus' twice in the same sentence so the used 'the God himself'.
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Apr 2 2015, 05:05 PM
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Ohhh that makes sense now after reading it again
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