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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
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Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,184 Views)
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Wait, so does this prove the Z-Fighters can't survive planetary explosions?
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Mar 30 2015, 11:21 PM
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Wait, so does this prove the Z-Fighters can't survive planetary explosions?
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Mar 30 2015, 11:35 PM
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Wait, so does this prove the Z-Fighters can't survive planetary explosions?
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Mar 30 2015, 11:40 PM
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Wait, so does this prove the Z-Fighters can't survive planetary explosions? If so, KK is going to bust a gut
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Mar 30 2015, 11:45 PM
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It only proves Vegeta can't. Goku'd probably just defeat the exploding planet.
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Mar 30 2015, 11:46 PM
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It only proves Vegeta can't. Goku'd probably just defeat the exploding planet. ''Take this, planet!''
*Punches it so hard that it stops exploding*
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Mar 30 2015, 11:57 PM
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- Mar 30 2015, 11:02 PM
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Somehow I knew you'd pull that card, but it doesn't work. He trained for the Budokai, fought Dabra and Boo, and he trained with the Z-Sword that made THAT exact scenario possible. Try again.
Oh come on, that setup was perfect. He did indeed train for the Budokai and train with the Z-Sword, but I bet the Boo arc wouldn't even have happened if he trained for the 7 years. To be fair, there are quite a few scenarios which would have stopped the Boo Arc in its tracks.
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Mar 31 2015, 12:12 AM
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- Mar 30 2015, 08:46 PM
I think it'd be ironic if Freeza died by a sneak attack by Trunks again. Spoiler: click to toggle Everybody heard that Freeza is missin from his cocoon in the after credits scene. Like it's implying he's not dead.
Spoiler: click to toggle That's the opening scene when he's first brought back. Unless it falls twice.
And WOW... not to be rude (sorry) but the Goku dislike is off the charts! . He's the main character and FACE of DBZ. Spoiler: click to toggle 90% of main characters that are the protagonist kills everything. It's how most stories work. Goku didn't kill anyone major on his own since Freeza. That's rare for a main character.
I don't see an issue of the main character being a main character.
Hopefully that didnt come off as mean...
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Mar 31 2015, 12:19 AM
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Spoiler tags in a spoiler thread labelled that it's full of spoilers makes no sense to me.
Spoiler: click to toggle No sense at all
Spoiler: click to toggle If this information is accurate... I fear for the future of this franchise... which was clearly not in mind when creating these movies.
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Mar 31 2015, 12:20 AM
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I think it'd be ironic if Freeza died by a sneak attack by Trunks again. Spoiler: click to toggle Everybody heard that Freeza is missin from his cocoon in the after credits scene. Like it's implying he's not dead.
Spoiler: click to toggle That's the opening scene when he's first brought back. Unless it falls twice. And WOW... not to be rude (sorry) but the Goku dislike is off the charts!  . He's the main character and FACE of DBZ. Spoiler: click to toggle 90% of main characters that are the protagonist kills everything. It's how most stories work. Goku didn't kill anyone major on his own since Freeza. That's rare for a main character. I don't see an issue of the main character being a main character. Hopefully that didnt come off as mean... The build-up for Vegeta as the star for this film was insane. Toriyama's desire for Vegeta to be a star sometime in the future, along with the reversed roles of Vegeta and Goku on Namek indicated that Vegeta was going to be the main character in the film. Furthermore, they actually built him up in BoG, while they made Goku even worse in it.
Spoiler: click to toggle Even the film itself goes along with Vegeta being the one to best Freeza until the end, where it throws all that to the wind in order to make Goku the one to defeat Freeza (again).
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Mar 31 2015, 12:25 AM
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I have to disagree with the typical protagonist always take the win anyway thing, I've learned that's not always the case, and even if it is it tends to only be the marquee battles, the really anticipated ones.
Spoiler: click to toggle For instance if you look at Naruto, he didn't get a majority of the victories in the series. He knocked Haku around but Haku only lost when he saved Zabuza, he defeated Gaara, he had to run from the Sound 4, barely escaped Kimimaro, fought well but in the end got defeated by Sasuke, didn't defeat either Deidara or Sasori, barely even bothered Orochimaru, all of team 7 almost died to Sasuke, defeated Kakuzu but not Hidan, Sasuke took down Itachi, defeated the paths of Pain but did not necessarily defeat Nagato, failed to stop Tobi or Sasuke, was locked away for the first half of the war, beat Kyuubi, didn't even touch Kisame, defeated a few irrelevant or fodder zombie ninja, defeated 3rd Raikage, barely caught Madara's attention, broke Tobi's mask with tons of help, stalled Madara and unmasked Tobi but didn't defeat either. Eventually incapacitates Tobi with help from Sasuke, Hashirama pins down Madara who then fully revived and get a double kill on two protagonists. Gai demolishes Madara, Naruto temporarily fights Madara, Madara pushes them back and succeeds in his plans, gets consumed and taken over by crazy bunny lady, only eventually manages to beat her with the help of Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi, then fights Sasuke to a stalemate. Not many victories for him, really.
Same goes for Goku, it's actually a rarity that he (in canon) gets to win a battle.
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Mar 31 2015, 12:29 AM
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Spoiler: click to toggle I have to disagree with the typical protagonist always take the win anyway thing, I've learned that's not always the case, and even if it is it tends to only be the marquee battles, the really anticipated ones.
For instance if you look at Naruto, he didn't get a majority of the victories in the series. He knocked Haku around but Haku only lost when he saved Zabuza, he defeated Gaara, he had to run from the Sound 4, barely escaped Kimimaro, fought well but in the end got defeated by Sasuke, didn't defeat either Deidara or Sasori, barely even bothered Orochimaru, all of team 7 almost died to Sasuke, defeated Kakuzu but not Hidan, Sasuke took down Itachi, defeated the paths of Pain but did not necessarily defeat Nagato, failed to stop Tobi or Sasuke, was locked away for the first half of the war, beat Kyuubi, didn't even touch Kisame, defeated a few irrelevant or fodder zombie ninja, defeated 3rd Raikage, barely caught Madara's attention, broke Tobi's mask with tons of help, stalled Madara and unmasked Tobi but didn't defeat either. Eventually incapacitates Tobi with help from Sasuke, Hashirama pins down Madara who then fully revived and get a double kill on two protagonists. Gai demolishes Madara, Naruto temporarily fights Madara, Madara pushes them back and succeeds in his plans, gets consumed and taken over by crazy bunny lady, only eventually manages to beat her with the help of Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi, then fights Sasuke to a stalemate. Not many victories for him, really.
Same goes for Goku, it's actually a rarity that he (in canon) gets to win a battle.
Spoiler: click to toggle He beat 3/4 of the main antagonists. You can argue that Vegeta and Boo are team efforts, but they're essentially his win. You wouldn't say that Vegeta beat Boo, or Hercule. While it wasn't his energy, the Genki Dama was still his technique and he was the one to finish Boo off with it, using his own energy to push it and decimate Boo.
Vegeta, on the other hand, while having the record for the highest number of goons/minions killed, hasn't got a single main antagonist win under his belt. Him beating Freeza this once isn't suddenly going to put Goku's record in danger, or put him ahead in any respect. Goku already beat Freeza, having him do it again is just pointless.
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Mar 31 2015, 12:34 AM
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- Mar 30 2015, 08:46 PM
I think it'd be ironic if Freeza died by a sneak attack by Trunks again. Spoiler: click to toggle Everybody heard that Freeza is missin from his cocoon in the after credits scene. Like it's implying he's not dead.
Spoiler: click to toggle That's the opening scene when he's first brought back. Unless it falls twice. And WOW... not to be rude (sorry) but the Goku dislike is off the charts!  . He's the main character and FACE of DBZ. Spoiler: click to toggle 90% of main characters that are the protagonist kills everything. It's how most stories work. Goku didn't kill anyone major on his own since Freeza. That's rare for a main character. I don't see an issue of the main character being a main character. Hopefully that didnt come off as mean...
The build-up for Vegeta as the star for this film was insane. Toriyama's desire for Vegeta to be a start sometime in the future, along with the reversed roles of Vegeta and Goku on Namek indicated that Vegeta was going to be the main character in the film. Furthermore, they actually built him up in BoG, while they made Goku even worse in it. Spoiler: click to toggle Even the film itself goes along with Vegeta being the one to best Freeza until the end, where it throws all that to the wind in order to make Goku the one to defeat Freeza (again).
Spoiler: click to toggle Vegeta beating up a worn out Freeza (trailers had Freeza damaged by Goku) and Golden Freeza has same flaw as 100% Freeza. Stamina. A fresh Vegeta beat up a worn out Freeza. That's... kinda..not impressive.
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I have to disagree with the typical protagonist always take the win anyway thing, I've learned that's not always the case, and even if it is it tends to only be the marquee battles, the really anticipated ones. Spoiler: click to toggle For instance if you look at Naruto, he didn't get a majority of the victories in the series. He knocked Haku around but Haku only lost when he saved Zabuza, he defeated Gaara, he had to run from the Sound 4, barely escaped Kimimaro, fought well but in the end got defeated by Sasuke, didn't defeat either Deidara or Sasori, barely even bothered Orochimaru, all of team 7 almost died to Sasuke, defeated Kakuzu but not Hidan, Sasuke took down Itachi, defeated the paths of Pain but did not necessarily defeat Nagato, failed to stop Tobi or Sasuke, was locked away for the first half of the war, beat Kyuubi, didn't even touch Kisame, defeated a few irrelevant or fodder zombie ninja, defeated 3rd Raikage, barely caught Madara's attention, broke Tobi's mask with tons of help, stalled Madara and unmasked Tobi but didn't defeat either. Eventually incapacitates Tobi with help from Sasuke, Hashirama pins down Madara who then fully revived and get a double kill on two protagonists. Gai demolishes Madara, Naruto temporarily fights Madara, Madara pushes them back and succeeds in his plans, gets consumed and taken over by crazy bunny lady, only eventually manages to beat her with the help of Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi, then fights Sasuke to a stalemate. Not many victories for him, really. Same goes for Goku, it's actually a rarity that he (in canon) gets to win a battle.
Spoiler: click to toggle I disagree with your agreement as I said all media. Such as American cartoons/comics, TV shows, movies, and books. Even in manga-anime it's rare for a main character to NOT win every or almost every fight. You named 1 anime compared to the thousands of anime in the years. Just look at what time period DB came from. Fist of North Star Era. That's making it more shocking Goku doesn't kick more butt. Except in Dragonball part 1.  .
Spoiler: click to toggle At the end of the day. Goku is the hero of the story. Y'all can't expect him to lose all the time. Especially after a 20+ year hiatus.
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Mar 31 2015, 12:39 AM
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I think it'd be ironic if Freeza died by a sneak attack by Trunks again. Spoiler: click to toggle Everybody heard that Freeza is missin from his cocoon in the after credits scene. Like it's implying he's not dead.
Spoiler: click to toggle That's the opening scene when he's first brought back. Unless it falls twice. And WOW... not to be rude (sorry) but the Goku dislike is off the charts!  . He's the main character and FACE of DBZ. Spoiler: click to toggle 90% of main characters that are the protagonist kills everything. It's how most stories work. Goku didn't kill anyone major on his own since Freeza. That's rare for a main character. I don't see an issue of the main character being a main character. Hopefully that didnt come off as mean...
The build-up for Vegeta as the star for this film was insane. Toriyama's desire for Vegeta to be a start sometime in the future, along with the reversed roles of Vegeta and Goku on Namek indicated that Vegeta was going to be the main character in the film. Furthermore, they actually built him up in BoG, while they made Goku even worse in it. Spoiler: click to toggle Even the film itself goes along with Vegeta being the one to best Freeza until the end, where it throws all that to the wind in order to make Goku the one to defeat Freeza (again).
Spoiler: click to toggle Vegeta beating up a worn out Freeza (trailers had Freeza damaged by Goku) and Golden Freeza has same flaw as 100% Freeza. Stamina. A fresh Vegeta beat up a worn out Freeza. That's... kinda..not impressive. Spoiler: click to toggle - Quote:
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I have to disagree with the typical protagonist always take the win anyway thing, I've learned that's not always the case, and even if it is it tends to only be the marquee battles, the really anticipated ones. Spoiler: click to toggle For instance if you look at Naruto, he didn't get a majority of the victories in the series. He knocked Haku around but Haku only lost when he saved Zabuza, he defeated Gaara, he had to run from the Sound 4, barely escaped Kimimaro, fought well but in the end got defeated by Sasuke, didn't defeat either Deidara or Sasori, barely even bothered Orochimaru, all of team 7 almost died to Sasuke, defeated Kakuzu but not Hidan, Sasuke took down Itachi, defeated the paths of Pain but did not necessarily defeat Nagato, failed to stop Tobi or Sasuke, was locked away for the first half of the war, beat Kyuubi, didn't even touch Kisame, defeated a few irrelevant or fodder zombie ninja, defeated 3rd Raikage, barely caught Madara's attention, broke Tobi's mask with tons of help, stalled Madara and unmasked Tobi but didn't defeat either. Eventually incapacitates Tobi with help from Sasuke, Hashirama pins down Madara who then fully revived and get a double kill on two protagonists. Gai demolishes Madara, Naruto temporarily fights Madara, Madara pushes them back and succeeds in his plans, gets consumed and taken over by crazy bunny lady, only eventually manages to beat her with the help of Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi, then fights Sasuke to a stalemate. Not many victories for him, really. Same goes for Goku, it's actually a rarity that he (in canon) gets to win a battle.
Spoiler: click to toggle I disagree with your agreement as I said all media. Such as American cartoons/comics, TV shows, movies, and books. Even in manga-anime it's rare for a main character to NOT win every or almost every fight. You named 1 anime compared to the thousands of anime in the years. Just look at what time period DB came from. Fist of North Star Era. That's making it more shocking Goku doesn't kick more butt. Except in Dragonball part 1.  . Spoiler: click to toggle At the end of the day. Goku is the hero of the story. Y'all can't expect him to lose all the time. Especially after a 20+ year hiatus.
Spoiler: click to toggle The fact of the matter is that he already lost to Freeza. If Goku's already lost, him coming back and winning doesn't make for a very good win at all. Though Vegeta would've defeated a weaker, more tired Freeza, at least it'd be more impactful than a guy who's already lost coming back and winning in a single attack.
I don't expect Goku to lose every time, but this is a terrible compromise. I'd rather he just win outright instead of losing, coming back after Vegeta's almost won and died, then beating Freeza in one blow.
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Mar 31 2015, 12:41 AM
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So does Freeza survive?
Nope. He gets killed and his body vanishes completelty. After the ending credits, he is in hell and surrounded by cute stuffed animals and fairies again, and then the movie ends with his screaming "Nooooooooooooo!!!" in English.
Kinda sad... . I wanted more! I'm greedy.
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Spoiler: click to toggle The fact of the matter is that he already lost to Freeza. If Goku's already lost, him coming back and winning doesn't make for a very good win at all. Though Vegeta would've defeated a weaker, more tired Freeza, at least it'd be more impactful than a guy who's already lost coming back and winning in a single attack.
I don't expect Goku to lose every time, but this is a terrible compromise. I'd rather he just win outright instead of losing, coming back after Vegeta's almost won and died, then beating Freeza in one blow.
Spoiler: click to toggle Hey Vegeta did the same thing to Ginyu Force and Cell(kinda). Also Goku lived through Freeza attack unlike Vegeta. But there is a scene where they hold hands to turn blue Ssj!
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