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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,185 Views)
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Mar 30 2015, 10:28 PM
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Mar 30 2015, 10:25 PM
Phooey, why not Gohan? Except for the first one, he's all of those.
Are you kidding? Gohan has no drive for starters. Beyond that, Gohan isn't as strong as Goku or Vegeta.
It's funny, because he seems to have plenty of drive to me. At least lately. Another notion is that his hidden powers were built up ever since the battle with Raditz and when he finally got this potential unlocked he was thrown aside like a filthy towel.
As for Vegeta, I don't actually think he should be the main hero because he suits the anti-hero role better. That's what he is.
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Phooey, why not Gohan? Except for the first one, he's all of those.
Are you kidding? Gohan has no drive for starters. Beyond that, Gohan isn't as strong as Goku or Vegeta.
It's funny, because he seems to have plenty of drive to me. At least lately. Another notion is that his hidden powers were built up ever since the battle with Raditz and when he finally got this potential unlocked he was thrown aside like a filthy towel.
As for Vegeta, I don't actually think he should be the main hero because he suits the anti-hero role better. That's what he is.
Anti heroes still get to win. They just aren't as heroic when they go about it...or they're more reluctant. The concept of Vegeta being THE hero is of course ridiculous, I just want him to defeat Freeza.
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I'm still excited about anything new in the DB verse and I'll reserve full judgement until I've actually seen it. I'll no doubt enjoy it.
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Mar 30 2015, 10:31 PM
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Phooey, why not Gohan? Except for the first one, he's all of those.
Are you kidding? Gohan has no drive for starters. Beyond that, Gohan isn't as strong as Goku or Vegeta.
It's funny, because he seems to have plenty of drive to me. At least lately. Another notion is that his hidden powers were built up ever since the battle with Raditz and when he finally got this potential unlocked he was thrown aside like a filthy towel.
As for Vegeta, I don't actually think he should be the main hero because he suits the anti-hero role better. That's what he is.
...I'm sorry, but what? Where on Earth are you getting the idea he has the drive to increase his abilities. The guy flat out said he hasn't been training in this film. Gohan's climax was his battle with Cell. Ultimate Gohan was proof that no matter how much potential you have; if you're a slacker, you'll get nowhere in this franchise. Gohan doesn't give a sh** about combat. He became a scholar, got married, and had a kid because that's what he wanted to do. BTW, you can be an anti-hero and still save the day.
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If anything, Goku's more of an anti-hero than Vegeta at this point. Look at their actions in BoG and tell me which one's the Anti-Hero and which one's the Hero.
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Mar 30 2015, 10:40 PM
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Phooey, why not Gohan? Except for the first one, he's all of those.
Are you kidding? Gohan has no drive for starters. Beyond that, Gohan isn't as strong as Goku or Vegeta.
It's funny, because he seems to have plenty of drive to me. At least lately. Another notion is that his hidden powers were built up ever since the battle with Raditz and when he finally got this potential unlocked he was thrown aside like a filthy towel.
As for Vegeta, I don't actually think he should be the main hero because he suits the anti-hero role better. That's what he is.
...I'm sorry, but what? Where on Earth are you getting the idea he has the drive to increase his abilities. The guy flat out said he hasn't been training in this film. Gohan's climax was his battle with Cell. Ultimate Gohan was proof that no matter how much potential you have; if you're a slacker, you'll get nowhere in this franchise. Gohan doesn't give a sh** about combat. He became a scholar, got married, and had a kid because that's what he wanted to do. BTW, you can be an anti-hero and still save the day.
He seemed eager in the last movie.

You're kidding me. Gohan lost because Super Boo tricked Gotenks to transform and that snazz happened. It wasn't his fault that author decided to lynch him.
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If anything, Goku's more of an anti-hero than Vegeta at this point. Look at their actions in BoG and tell me which one's the Anti-Hero and which one's the Hero.
Goku is definitely an anti-hero as he's not righteous and fights only to improve himself. Naturally he has an attachment to his friends and family, but he's willing to endanger them to have fun.
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You're kidding me. Gohan lost because Super Boo tricked Gotenks to transform and that snazz happened. It wasn't his fault that author decided to lynch him.

And if Gohan actually enjoyed fighting, he wouldn't have let Gotenks happen at all.
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Goku's become a prick, he deserves wins as much as Vegeta does in the Cell Saga. Vegeta is an okay candidate. He's not particularily my favorite choice, but he's okay(though I love seeing him get thrashed still, though it might change).

But if anyone deserves a win, it's Gohan. You guys can talk about how Gohan has lost the drive for training, but he "deserves" the win far more. This whole concept of deserving wins is stupid. If we are talking karma here, Chaozu should have shown up with Super Mime 9,001 to kill Freeza
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Goku's become a prick, he deserves wins as much as Vegeta does in the Cell Saga. Vegeta is an okay candidate. He's not particularily my favorite choice, but he's okay(though I love seeing him get thrashed still, though it might change).

But if anyone deserves a win, it's Gohan. You guys can talk about how Gohan has lost the drive for training, but he "deserves" the win far more. This whole concept of deserving wins is stupid. If we are talking karma here, Chaozu should have shown up with Super Mime 9,001 to kill Freeza
He doesn't really deserve anything if he's not willing to work for it.
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If we're talking solely about morals and not entertainment value then anyone but Goku and Vegeta would be a better option.
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Goku's become a prick, he deserves wins as much as Vegeta does in the Cell Saga. Vegeta is an okay candidate. He's not particularily my favorite choice, but he's okay(though I love seeing him get thrashed still, though it might change).

But if anyone deserves a win, it's Gohan. You guys can talk about how Gohan has lost the drive for training, but he "deserves" the win far more. This whole concept of deserving wins is stupid. If we are talking karma here, Chaozu should have shown up with Super Mime 9,001 to kill Freeza
He doesn't really deserve anything if he's not willing to work for it.
What an attitude to have.

Seems like you are competely ignoring that he actually tried during the Boo arc. It's not like he sat on his a*** and did nothing.
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Goku's become a prick, he deserves wins as much as Vegeta does in the Cell Saga. Vegeta is an okay candidate. He's not particularily my favorite choice, but he's okay(though I love seeing him get thrashed still, though it might change).

But if anyone deserves a win, it's Gohan. You guys can talk about how Gohan has lost the drive for training, but he "deserves" the win far more. This whole concept of deserving wins is stupid. If we are talking karma here, Chaozu should have shown up with Super Mime 9,001 to kill Freeza
He doesn't really deserve anything if he's not willing to work for it.
It's not like he sat on his a*** and did nothing.
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Somehow I knew you'd pull that card, but it doesn't work. He trained for the Budokai, fought Dabra and Boo, and he trained with the Z-Sword that made THAT exact scenario possible. Try again.
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Mar 30 2015, 11:01 PM
Somehow I knew you'd pull that card, but it doesn't work. He trained for the Budokai, fought Dabra and Boo, and he trained with the Z-Sword that made THAT exact scenario possible. Try again.
Oh come on, that setup was perfect. He did indeed train for the Budokai and train with the Z-Sword, but I bet the Boo arc wouldn't even have happened if he trained for the 7 years.
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