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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,207 Views)
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Mar 23 2015, 11:50 PM
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Mar 23 2015, 11:43 PM
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Mar 23 2015, 11:39 PM
Well, it all depends on how Vegeta was training. I mean, look at Piccolo in the 3 year gap. He was training with Goku, who was vastly superior to him, yet his gains were absolutely humongous compared to Goku's. If Vegeta was training with Goku, it'd make sense that he'd have massive gains.
Are you saying Vegeta has vastly more potential than Goku or Goku has some magical property which makes anyone he spars with greatly surpass him?

I believe Vegeta has more potential but not so much more than he can match Godku in base. Vegeta would need to be like 10000 times stronger than he was before. Probably more even.
We saw how much potential he had when he was raging at Beerus. Piccolo went from < Nappa to > Nail in, what, 6 days? And that was without the indication of huge potential that we got with Vegeta. If Vegeta actually trains properly, he could get immensely stronger. Maybe not enough to match Godku, but he doesn't need to be that strong; all Whis does is block the both of them, no reason to assume that they're at the exact same strength.
I guess that makes sense.

Piccolo though is a different species and a fused being. Goku also was still stronger than him thanks to ssj. Goku and Vegeta are rival saiyans, whether one pulls ahead a bit (usually Goku) they still remain relatively close on equal forms. To have Vegeta close that gap before even becoming a god would reduce that rivalry somewhat.

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Piccolo was not a fused being when he went from weaker than Nappa to stronger than Nail.
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Stuff:
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野沢雅子(孫悟空・孫悟飯 役)
台本を初めて読んだときには、ページをめくるごとにワクワクしました。私は長年悟空を演じてきて悟空と一体化しているので、読んでいるとだいたい「次のページはきっとこう来るだろう!」と予想できることが多いのですが、今回は「えっ、こう来るのか!さすが鳥山先生!」と意外な展開ばかり。なので皆さんにも楽しみにしてほしいですね。

Masako Nozawa (Son Goku & Son Gohan)
The first time I read the script, I got more and more excited every time I turned the page. I’ve played Goku for so many years that I’m one with him, so as I read, I’m often able to predict, “on the next page, it’ll probably go like this!” but this time was nothing but unexpected developments that made me go, “Eh, it goes like this?! Just as you’d expect of Toriyama-sensei!”

中尾隆聖(フリーザ 役)
このお話をいただいたときには思わず「やったー!」と叫びました。タイトルの「F」は“フリーザ”の「F」だけでなく、応援して下さる“ファンの皆様”の「F」でもあると思っております。1990年にフリーザ役として初めて出演させていただいてから長い時間が経ちましたが、今回は特にまこ(野沢雅子)さんに嫌われるように、「大っ嫌い!」というお褒めの言葉をいただけるように、頑張りました。

Ryūsei Nakao (Freeza)
When I was told about [the movie] I inadvertently shouted, “All right!” I believe that the “F” in the title doesn’t just stand for “Freeza”, but that it also stands for all you “Fans” who support [the franchise]. A long time has passed since 1990, when I first had the honor of playing Freeza, but this time I worked especially hard to be hated by Mako-san (Masako Nozawa), in order to receive those words of praise, “I hate you so much!”

堀川りょう(ベジータ 役)
ベジータはプライドが高いですから、普段はそんなことを言わないのに今回は珍しく、フリーザに負けて最後に泣きながら「カカロット、俺の仇を取ってくれ」と頼むんです。そんなことは初めてでしたので、感無量でした。今回フリーザが復活して私にとってはリベンジということで、楽しませていただきました。

Ryō Horikawa (Vegeta)
Vegeta has a great deal of pride, so he wouldn’t normally say it, but this is one of those rare occasions where, having lost to Freeza, he at last cries and asks, “Avenge me, Kakarrot”. That sort of thing was a first for me, so it filled me with emotion. This time Freeza is resurrected, and to me, that means “revenge” [i.e., a rematch], so I enjoyed myself.

佐藤正治(亀仙人 役)
いつもは“ぱふぱふ”がメインなんですけれども、今回はそうじゃないんです!いつもとは違う面の亀仙人が出てきますので、皆さんぜひ期待して下さい。

Masaharu Satō (Kame-Sen’nin)
Usually he’s mainly after a “pafu-pafu“, but this time is different! A side of Kame-Sen’nin comes out that’s different from the usual, so everyone, please look forward to it.

古川登志夫(ピッコロ 役)
本作は鳥山先生が一から脚本を書かれたということで、映画の中でも決め台詞や名台詞がたくさん生まれています。タイトルの「F」は、フリーザの「F」、ファンの皆様の「F」、そして最後に古川登志夫の「F」ということで(笑)。ピッコロも活躍していますのでお楽しみに!

Toshio Furukawa (Piccolo)
This movie was written from scratch by Toriyama-sensei, so in the movie, a lot of one-liners and classic lines are born. The “F” in the title stands for “Freeza”, for all you “Fans”, and also for Toshio “Furukawa” (laughs). Piccolo has a role to play too, so look forward to it!

Also, the blog updated:
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Bulma: Hey, Bulma here!
Just 25 days to go until the premiere!
Today Videl’s come over!

Videl: Hello! Is this a good idea, Bulma? I’m not really anybody important…

Bulma: Don’t worry about it! It’s been pretty much all men so far, so it was turning into a pigsty around here! But never mind that, how’s Pan doing?

Videl: She’s fine, thanks for asking. And so cute…! Gohan absolutely adores her.

Bulma: I’m sure Gohan will make a great father.

Videl: Oh, and sometimes Piccolo stops by to play with her.

Bulma: ……?! Piccolo!? Well, as long as he doesn’t teach her the Makankosappo or anything bad like that…

Videl: Don’t even joke about that, Bulma!

Piccolo: …………………
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Pan casually launching drilling death beams!
Edited by sekzee, Mar 24 2015, 03:49 PM.
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I can imagine piccolo saying okay Masenko it is then
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Uncle Piccolo doesn't sound too bad.
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I love how Videl mentions Piccolo visiting Pan but not Goku....
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Mar 24 2015, 11:07 PM
I love how Videl mentions Piccolo visiting Pan but not Goku....
Should be implied.

We know Goku spends time with her later anyway.
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haha why do people keep asking or bringing up why Goten or Trunks, Gohan don't have God form? That should be the most obvious thing but I guess not.

The movies have nothing to do with either of those three, not even remotely. Don't those of you think that if either of the three could achieve God form that Toriyama would have mentioned it? Or even if it was a possibility, that Toriyama would have addressed the question if he's been asked? The focus is not on Goten, Trunks, or Gohan. So get that question out of your head because it's not even in the realm of possibility right now. These movies are focused on Vegeta and Goku, nobody else in the Z Fighters...at all. I get that for some of you, Goten, Trunks, Gohan are your favorites and you want to see them get the same treatment. But it doesn't make the question of why they don't have God form yet, a plausible or valid question. Those characters aren't important to the story at this point.
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New trailer:

Man, when was the last time Piccolo used the Mankankosappo?
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Beerus on Earth giving a smug/sarcastic grin (I'm doubting it's a friendly smile) while holding a blast? Wonder what that's all about...
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I still like to entertain the idea of Beerus taking Freeza and completely bringing him to his knees. However. I know it won't happen because if Freeza does beat Goku in this movie, which it seems it will happen, then I don't know if Beerus would defeat Freeza so easily...but, who knows. We've not seen the complete extent of Beerus strength.

All that has been proven right from what I have predicted when I first read about this movie, is that Freeza would come back and clean house. He's certainly a massive threat.
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- Freeza beats Goku
- Beerus shows up and kills/beats Freeza, confirming what he said in BoG.
- Whis turns back time to undo what Beerus just did.
- Vegeta kills Freeza.

I swear to God if it goes down like this. The big issue would be killing Freeza twice within that short of a window. He's already difficult to take seriously given how many times he's been beaten. This wouldn't help matters.
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If the numbers Toriyama gave in previous interviews still hold, Freeza overwhelming Goku with such an advantage that we see in the pictures wouldn't fit with Goku being as close to Beerus' strength as he supposedly was prior to the training he's been undergoing since BOG (whilst Beerus has been asleep).
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Oh, but what I think would get people more is if Freeza somehow beats Beerus, and then Vegeta somehow attains enough strength in SSJGOD and then fights an epic battle with Freeza and wins. I think it'd leave a lot of people scratching their heads. Sort of like wondering how Vegeta surpassed Beerus in strength in a single movie when not even Goku was close to doing that just yet.

It's like...

Ok, so Freeza just owned Beerus...and Goku...

Vegeta rages, gets unreal powerful, beats Freeza...

Sense it'd make, not much.
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