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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,233 Views)
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That dino Freeza is actually a cool design. It doesn't exactly go with the DBZ flow, but it's cool nonetheless.
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Mar 11 2015, 11:52 PM
That dino Freeza is actually a cool design. It doesn't exactly go with the DBZ flow, but it's cool nonetheless.
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There's her bio Pyrus.

Now, so that this post isn't considered spam. What do you think the power ring one of Freeza's henchmen has does?
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I hate retcons. I had high hopes for Toriyama to make this movie that actually fit with the manga, unlike the previous Battle of Gods.


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Just curious to people who believe so. I'm not trying to debate opinions... well I am but...

How would killing Freeza bring closure to Vegeta from two view points. An in universe viewpoint and OUTSIDE the universe?

In universe: I doubt Vegeta cares about Freeza making him his b*** since Vegeta would do the same had situations been reversed. Goku plays more of a factor in Vegeta life than Freeza ever did.

Out of universe: Is killing Freeza(even with the Golden Ticket power up) a big deal? Debate canon all you want. But we've seen Freeza killed (Or almost killed) by Goku, Trunks, Gohan, Paikuhan, Goku(again), and Vegeta (Video game as a SSJ during PTETSSJ). Would Vegeta (if prediction is correct that Vegeta wins and not a 2v1 win) winning be special or a feel good moment? It'll be just another man that killed Freeza. Another man who beat Freeza.
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Mar 12 2015, 01:30 AM
Just curious to people who believe so. I'm not trying to debate opinions... well I am but...

How would killing Freeza bring closure to Vegeta from two view points. An in universe viewpoint and OUTSIDE the universe?

In universe: I doubt Vegeta cares about Freeza making him his b*** since Vegeta would do the same had situations been reversed. Goku plays more of a factor in Vegeta life than Freeza ever did.

Out of universe: Is killing Freeza(even with the Golden Ticket power up) a big deal? Debate canon all you want. But we've seen Freeza killed (Or almost killed) by Goku, Trunks, Gohan, Paikuhan, Goku(again), and Vegeta (Video game as a SSJ during PTETSSJ). Would Vegeta (if prediction is correct that Vegeta wins and not a 2v1 win) winning be special or a feel good moment? It'll be just another man that killed Freeza. Another man who beat Freeza.
It would mark him actually beating a main villain instead of being putty in their hands
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Not everyone needs or deserve to beat the main villain. s*** I'll rather have Goku beat him. Beerus however would be a borefeast too.
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Mar 12 2015, 01:30 AM
Just curious to people who believe so. I'm not trying to debate opinions... well I am but...

How would killing Freeza bring closure to Vegeta from two view points. An in universe viewpoint and OUTSIDE the universe?

In universe: I doubt Vegeta cares about Freeza making him his b*** since Vegeta would do the same had situations been reversed. Goku plays more of a factor in Vegeta life than Freeza ever did.

Out of universe: Is killing Freeza(even with the Golden Ticket power up) a big deal? Debate canon all you want. But we've seen Freeza killed (Or almost killed) by Goku, Trunks, Gohan, Paikuhan, Goku(again), and Vegeta (Video game as a SSJ during PTETSSJ). Would Vegeta (if prediction is correct that Vegeta wins and not a 2v1 win) winning be special or a feel good moment? It'll be just another man that killed Freeza. Another man who beat Freeza.
In Universe: I'm honestly quite puzzled by the fact that people think Vegeta wouldn't find any pleasure in killing Freeza. Freeza was the only person who ever killed him for starters and lets also not forget the fact that Freeza lorded over him for the majority of his life. You really don't think Vegeta would get any pleasure out humiliating Freeza? He may not get "closure" from it per say, but it'd certainly be satisfying.
Out of Universe: Yeah, it kinda would be considering Golden Freeza has surpassed every villain before him. Also, lets not forget that Freeza will be putting Goku down. Beating the guy Goku couldn't would certainly be a feat. How many times Freeza has been defeated beforehand, be it from the manga or other media, is irrelevant.
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Vegeta also killed himself, don't forget that.
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Mar 12 2015, 02:42 AM
Vegeta also killed himself, don't forget that.
Oh I didn't forget.
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Mar 12 2015, 02:48 AM
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Mar 12 2015, 02:42 AM
Vegeta also killed himself, don't forget that.
Oh I didn't forget.
You said Freeza was the only person to ever kill him, which is wrong. Vegeta also exploded himself.

I get the cirumstances were different, but still.

As for Vegeta's closure and Freeza, to be honest, would Vegeta have turned out any different if Freeza hadn't been there? It's extremely doubtful.
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Mar 12 2015, 02:48 AM
lazerbem
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Vegeta also killed himself, don't forget that.
Oh I didn't forget.
You said Freeza was the only person to ever kill him, which is wrong.
I don't consider suicide being killed by someone.
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As for Vegeta's closure and Freeza, to be honest, would Vegeta have turned out any different if Freeza hadn't been there? It's extremely doubtful.

No, he wouldn't. Vegeta certainly wouldn't deserve any closure back in the day, but he's certainly turned over a new leaf, so I don't think writing a story in his favor is out of the question.
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Why? Vegeta still died by his own actions.


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Mar 12 2015, 02:56 AM
Why? Vegeta still died by his own actions.
When I say someone, I mean someone other than himself.
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Mar 12 2015, 01:30 AM
Just curious to people who believe so. I'm not trying to debate opinions... well I am but...

How would killing Freeza bring closure to Vegeta from two view points. An in universe viewpoint and OUTSIDE the universe?

In universe: I doubt Vegeta cares about Freeza making him his b*** since Vegeta would do the same had situations been reversed. Goku plays more of a factor in Vegeta life than Freeza ever did.

Out of universe: Is killing Freeza(even with the Golden Ticket power up) a big deal? Debate canon all you want. But we've seen Freeza killed (Or almost killed) by Goku, Trunks, Gohan, Paikuhan, Goku(again), and Vegeta (Video game as a SSJ during PTETSSJ). Would Vegeta (if prediction is correct that Vegeta wins and not a 2v1 win) winning be special or a feel good moment? It'll be just another man that killed Freeza. Another man who beat Freeza.
In Universe: I'm honestly quite puzzled by the fact that people think Vegeta wouldn't find any pleasure in killing Freeza. Freeza was the only person who ever killed him for starters and lets also not forget the fact that Freeza lorded over him for the majority of his life. You really don't think Vegeta would get any pleasure out humiliating Freeza? He may not get "closure" from it per say, but it'd certainly be satisfying.
Out of Universe: Yeah, it kinda would be considering Golden Freeza has surpassed every villain before him. Also, lets not forget that Freeza will be putting Goku down. Beating the guy Goku couldn't would certainly be a feat. How many times Freeza has been defeated beforehand, be it from the manga or other media, is irrelevant.
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In universe: Bulma interviewed Vegeta. He basically said "I don't give a f*** about Freeza.".

Out of Universe: No matter how strong he gets. Freeza been beaten so many times that it seems like Vegeta fans are just getting a chewed on snack. Yaaay Vegeta might beat Freeza! But...Freeza lost 5 times already. Cell even called him a joke in GT. IT'S more or less like "Its about damn time" or "Wow... that's it".
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Mar 12 2015, 02:28 AM
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Mar 12 2015, 01:30 AM
Just curious to people who believe so. I'm not trying to debate opinions... well I am but...

How would killing Freeza bring closure to Vegeta from two view points. An in universe viewpoint and OUTSIDE the universe?

In universe: I doubt Vegeta cares about Freeza making him his b*** since Vegeta would do the same had situations been reversed. Goku plays more of a factor in Vegeta life than Freeza ever did.

Out of universe: Is killing Freeza(even with the Golden Ticket power up) a big deal? Debate canon all you want. But we've seen Freeza killed (Or almost killed) by Goku, Trunks, Gohan, Paikuhan, Goku(again), and Vegeta (Video game as a SSJ during PTETSSJ). Would Vegeta (if prediction is correct that Vegeta wins and not a 2v1 win) winning be special or a feel good moment? It'll be just another man that killed Freeza. Another man who beat Freeza.
In Universe: I'm honestly quite puzzled by the fact that people think Vegeta wouldn't find any pleasure in killing Freeza. Freeza was the only person who ever killed him for starters and lets also not forget the fact that Freeza lorded over him for the majority of his life. You really don't think Vegeta would get any pleasure out humiliating Freeza? He may not get "closure" from it per say, but it'd certainly be satisfying.
Out of Universe: Yeah, it kinda would be considering Golden Freeza has surpassed every villain before him. Also, lets not forget that Freeza will be putting Goku down. Beating the guy Goku couldn't would certainly be a feat. How many times Freeza has been defeated beforehand, be it from the manga or other media, is irrelevant.
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In universe: Bulma interviewed Vegeta. He basically said "I don't give a f*** about Freeza.".

Out of Universe: No matter how strong he gets. Freeza been beaten so many times that it seems like Vegeta fans are just getting a chewed on snack. Yaaay Vegeta might beat Freeza! But...Freeza lost 5 times already. Cell even called him a joke in GT. IT'S more or less like "Its about damn time" or "Wow... that's it".
1. Marketing. Even if he doesn't now, he will when he beats Goku.
2. How does Freeza's loss record affect his current status?
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