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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,237 Views)
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lazerbem
Mar 10 2015, 05:58 PM
Freeza is paranoid as Hell, after already making that mistake, why would he repeat it ?
Vegeta and Goku have this worse.

Vegeta: How about you transform, Freeza? I'll still kick your a***.
(gets owned)

Vegeta: How about you transform, Cell? I'll still kick your a***.
(gets owned)

Vegeta: Majin Boo is a b***. All I care about is you, Kakarot!
(gets owned by Boo)

Goku: Power up to full, Freeza. I'll still kick your a***.
(almost dies in explosion)

Goku: Here's a senzu bean, Cell. Gohan will kill you anyway.
(Gohan gets trashed)

Goku: I'd better not fool around, or the universe will be doomed.
(fools around and almost gets everyone killed for it)
Edited by FutureProtagonist, Mar 10 2015, 08:07 PM.
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Mar 10 2015, 06:12 PM
lazerbem
Mar 10 2015, 05:58 PM
Freeza is paranoid as Hell, after already making that mistake, why would he repeat it ?
Vegeta and Goku have this worse.

Vegeta: How about you transform, Freeza? I'll still kick your a***.
(gets owned)

Vegeta: How you transform, Cell? I'll still kick your a***.
(gets owned)

Vegeta: Majin Boo is a b***. All I care about is you, Kakarot!
(gets owned by Boo)

Goku: Power up to full, Freeza. I'll still kick your a***.
(almost dies in explosion)

Goku: Here's a senzu bean, Cell. Gohan will kill you anyway.
(Gohan gets trashed)

Goku: I'd better not fool around, or the universe will be doomed.
(fools around and almost gets everyone killed for it)
To be fair, for all of Goku and Vegeta's stupid mistakes, it still all turned out for the best.

If Goku hadn't let Vegeta go for a rematch, everyone would have died on Namek.

If Freeza hadn't transformed and powered up, the z fighters wouldn't have gotten so strong. If Goku had quickly dealt with him, he never would have crash landed and learnt IT.

If Cell hadn't achieved his perfect form, Gohan would never have gone ssj2.

If Boo hadn't been revived, Goten, Trunks and Gohan would have been a lot weaker and Goku would have remained dead and Vegeta probably wouldn't have been redeemed.

Freeza spent 15 odd years rotting in a hell for his arrogance and still hasn't learnt his lesson.
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I thought Hell allowing them to think was only filler?
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Toriyama's Hell is never really delved into. We do know that Enma makes exceptions to the norm, I.E. Vegeta's body being restored. I like to think Enma allowed Freeza to keep his mechanized body to constantly remind him of his demise.
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Mar 10 2015, 08:06 PM
Toriyama's Hell is never really delved into. We do know that Enma makes exceptions to the norm, I.E. Vegeta's body being restored. I like to think Enma allowed Freeza to keep his mechanized body to constantly remind him of his demise.
Makes sense. I don't like the idea of eternal punishment though, I don't think anybody deserves that.

Enma seems like a reasonable guy, surely Freeza would have eventually been 'purified' or whatever the hell happens to souls in dbz.
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That doesn't make any sense to have them keep their bodies. He could barely restrain Raditz, Nappa should have been able to pummel him easily.
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Why did Raditz have a body in the first place? Everyone else were souls.
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Mar 10 2015, 08:22 PM
That doesn't make any sense to have them keep their bodies. He could barely restrain Raditz, Nappa should have been able to pummel him easily.
I always thought Enma was just trying to impress Goku. Once a person has died they answer to Enma and he has complete power over them, no matter how strong they were in life. He can give them a weak body, or take it away or just turn them into celery if he wants.
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Isn't Freeza shown in Hell inside that pod? He's there, stuck, constantly watched by guards. It's enough to make anyone go insane, and it's a fitting punishment for the person who killed so many people.
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Mar 10 2015, 08:37 PM
Isn't Freeza shown in Hell inside that pod? He's there, stuck, constantly watched by guards. It's enough to make anyone go insane, and it's a fitting punishment for the person who killed so many people.
Maybe the constant isolation actually made him insane, that's why Freeza isn't thinking rationally about dealing with the saiyans.

I hope the explanation for the 4 month thing is that it actually enables Freeza to hit the absolute ceiling of his power, he doesn't just decide "well, that should be plenty, off I go, even though comparatively speaking compared to how long I've already lived 4 months is nothing and I cold easily do another."

I also hope his biology allows for special training unavailable to other species...like training inside a black hole or something equally ridiculous.
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Training inside a black hole? What is he, Spacegodzilla?
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That doesn't make any sense to have them keep their bodies. He could barely restrain Raditz, Nappa should have been able to pummel him easily.
Freeza came to him as a Soul, but was sent to Hell in a cocoon. At that point Enma trolled him by giving him his mechanized body.
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Mar 10 2015, 09:16 PM
Training inside a black hole? What is he, Spacegodzilla?
I said it was ridiculous.
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Mar 10 2015, 09:21 PM
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That doesn't make any sense to have them keep their bodies. He could barely restrain Raditz, Nappa should have been able to pummel him easily.
Freeza came to him as a Soul, but was sent to Hell in a cocoon. At that point Enma trolled him by giving him his mechanized body.
Freeza would have fought back then. I mean, Raditz fought back.
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That doesn't make any sense to have them keep their bodies. He could barely restrain Raditz, Nappa should have been able to pummel him easily.
Freeza came to him as a Soul, but was sent to Hell in a cocoon. At that point Enma trolled him by giving him his mechanized body.
Freeza would have fought back then. I mean, Raditz fought back.
Perhaps he was given his body back once he was in Hell. Or, he was just given a weaker body. Toriyama hasn't really explored Enma's power too much, so anything he says at this point would fit perfectly fine.
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