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| superperfectnerd | Mar 8 2015, 01:49 AM Post #2341 |
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Vegeta has always been blinded by his pride. He trains harder than Goku does and probably does do some more complicated training but he doesn't train as smart as Goku. It was only Vegeta who said this and he's the one who doesn't understand his methods are lacking. Goku never agrees with him. As for the Namek zenkai, my theory is that a zenkai is a saiyans's biological defence mechanism which pushes their power past it's maximum to avoid suffering damage again next time. So Vegeta was around 500000 when he got his final zenkai and was pushed to over 2 million. Goku was at 90000 when he got his but with Kaioken x 20 his body had experienced 1.8 million, so his zenkai pushed him up to 3 million, past his maximum power with Kaioken. I mean Vegeta got a zenkai from a nap....soooooooooooo.... Edited by superperfectnerd, Mar 8 2015, 01:53 AM.
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| Norc Groose | Mar 8 2015, 01:51 AM Post #2342 |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Mar 8 2015, 02:10 AM Post #2343 |
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Sorry, I can't say agree that it's clear that Goku has superior potential. If anything I'd consider them equals as they're always at odds with each as far as battle powers go, but then there's Battle of Gods which assumes Vegeta has more, at least now. |
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| lazerbem | Mar 8 2015, 02:23 AM Post #2344 |
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BOG retcons so much at this point that its canonicity is thrown into question. Among these is the subject of Vegeta's potential. Clearly, Vegeta was lying when he said that Goku was better than him in the Boo Arc. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Mar 8 2015, 02:24 AM Post #2345 |
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Sorry, but inconsistencies or retcons do not affect it's potential canonicity. If that were true, the manga itself would be drawn into question.
That's a fallacy. Goku was better than him at the time. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Mar 8 2015, 02:27 AM.
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| + QueenTD | Mar 8 2015, 02:42 AM Post #2346 |
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Pudd gave me this idea so credit to him. Perhaps this needs it's own thread . What if with all these epic movies (IMO) that aren't exactly not filled with plot holes (I don't care honestly as long as story is AMAZING!) that it leads to a infinite crisis or Flashpoint style story? Toriyama loves the DC universe as Dragonball Minus is basically Superman's origin story. |
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| TheGmGoken | Mar 8 2015, 03:19 AM Post #2347 |
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Anyone believe that Goku(before Vegeta arrive) is going to defeat Freeza but something prevents him from finishing the job? With Beerus comments we may see BOTH Goku(who loses due to something) and Vegeta kick some Freeza a***. I asked this because (and not to be too in universe or power related) Freeza was NOT damaged to the point of bruises when he evolutionize. However when he finally beats Goku. He looks like this ![]() ![]() And when he first transformed ![]() I wonder now. If I'm correct... then what cause Goku to lose Beerus Comment: "You brought it upon yourself". This can be about Goku losing, Freeza losing, or even Freeza coming back.
That was a joke. I wasn't serious. But seeing as Toriyama ideas aren't 100% original... Edited by TheGmGoken, Mar 8 2015, 03:21 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Mar 8 2015, 03:21 AM Post #2348 |
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Perhaps Freeza loses and Beerus revives him somehow. |
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| lazerbem | Mar 8 2015, 03:36 AM Post #2349 |
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How would a God of Destruction revive someone? That's the opposite of destroying. Not to mention that would be unintelligent, given Freeza seems to be set up as at least as strong as him |
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| + Pyrus | Mar 8 2015, 03:42 AM Post #2350 |
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Then Whis will do it! |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Mar 8 2015, 05:48 AM Post #2351 |
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Maybe they have a close fight but goku shows mercy and beerus is pretty much calling goku an idiot when he says "brought this on yourself" |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Mar 8 2015, 07:48 AM Post #2352 |
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Friezas form is nicknamed "golden Frieza" http://dragonblogz.com/revival-of-f-weekly-shonen-jump-golden-freeza-reveal/ |
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| AVYLES | Mar 8 2015, 10:28 AM Post #2353 |
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I think the trailer showing Freeza pressing his foot down on Goku's chest, Goku looking to be beaten, is getting people jumping to conclusions. I don't think Goku loses. What we saw is most likely a tactic to get people more interested, to draw more people in. Show a clip of Goku bruised and bloody with Freeza over him, people are sure to think Goku is beaten. If Goku does lose, I won't be surprised. I just don't think what we saw, is actually what we thought it was. |
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| Ben | Mar 8 2015, 10:39 AM Post #2354 |
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Anyone who ever believed Goku is better than Vegeta is a fool, a fool I tell you. But yeah, Toriyama keeps retconning everything. Normally, as a Boo saga detractor I'd be with you. But... Vegeta movie! YES! Edited by Ben, Mar 8 2015, 10:40 AM.
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| superperfectnerd | Mar 8 2015, 11:52 AM Post #2355 |
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Goku is an ordinary saiyan, he's special because he hit his head and has a kind and gentle personality and a drive to be the best he can be. That's what makes him unique. You really think that the only baby sent offworld when every other saiyan died just happened to have the greatest potential of them all? Goku having greater natural potential than other saiyans flies in the face of the original Goku and Vegeta concept, "don't be defined by the circumstances of your birth".
Edited by superperfectnerd, Mar 8 2015, 11:53 AM.
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