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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,242 Views)
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When do we get the second chapter?
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Goku never has a crazy amount of potential. Yeah he got way stronger but that was over many many years. Frieza doesn't have a lot of potential just by being born with it it also has to do with it building up because he's never trained
Goku was born with a lower power-level than Vegeta, yet he surpassed him and still has the lead on him. What power-level you're born with, doesn't determine your potential, I think.
i think people are born with more potential than others. Look at Gohan
I don't know about that, that kind of got retconned with Battle of Gods. Hogan just happens to be the strongest half breed nowadays. As far as we know of Vegeta is likely stronger than Hogan without god ki. As well as Beers saying Vegetables and Goku were threats with the most potential. Gohan's just there now as a throwaway.

Edit: When did the Hulkster get in here? Damn autocorrect...
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Frieza was probably taught the basics by his father and also taught how to transform in order to control his power and not exhaust his body. It's clear to me when he went all out all he did was power up ala trunks in cell saga.

Goten and Trunks are different they were born and became super seiyans eventually ...Frieza was born stronger and with tons more potential imo. I highly doubt he got stronger with age..he probably was in a lower transformation for most of his life because he didn't have the need to power up.
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The next movie will probably be about broly being resurrected, his "chunks" put into one of freeza's machines and being resurrected by paragus who survives somehow. Then his "power potential"(you know 10k BP from a baby) is awakened after only THREE months......Then he fights and beats whis and everyone else.



I can see it now.....

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I wonder if there will be any mentions of the other universes
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Whis will show the Z-Fighters clips from Freeza's of other universes (Movie 12, GT) and how much of a joke he's become.
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interesting how Frieza`s mother looks like.
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So.... forgive me if I missed something here but is that freizas mom? I don't want to go back in pages right now and read everything haha I'm lazy
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Goku never has a crazy amount of potential. Yeah he got way stronger but that was over many many years. Frieza doesn't have a lot of potential just by being born with it it also has to do with it building up because he's never trained
Goku was born with a lower power-level than Vegeta, yet he surpassed him and still has the lead on him. What power-level you're born with, doesn't determine your potential, I think.
Can't believe I missed this. Anyway, I think it has a lot to do with it honestly. You have to remember Goku is usually one step ahead of Vegeta as a result of a unique power up or unique method of training, and it's not like Vegeta hasn't taken the lead several times before, and has pretty much proven in Battle of Gods that he has something Goku does not. I'd argue that Vegeta does in fact have potential exceeding Goku's, it's just that Goku always manages to find a way to eliminate that factor with the methods I have already mentioned.
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Goku never has a crazy amount of potential. Yeah he got way stronger but that was over many many years. Frieza doesn't have a lot of potential just by being born with it it also has to do with it building up because he's never trained
Goku was born with a lower power-level than Vegeta, yet he surpassed him and still has the lead on him. What power-level you're born with, doesn't determine your potential, I think.
Can't believe I missed this. Anyway, I think it has a lot to do with it honestly. You have to remember Goku is usually one step ahead of Vegeta as a result of a unique power up or unique method of training, and it's not like Vegeta hasn't taken the lead several times before, and has pretty much proven in Battle of Gods that he has something Goku does not. I'd argue that Vegeta does in fact have potential exceeding Goku's, it's just that Goku always manages to find a way to eliminate that factor with the methods I have already mentioned.
I think the manga implies that Goku has more potential than Vegeta

-Goku got a much bigger Zenkai on Namek (I would imagine that Zenkais bring out latent power)
-Goku trained for a single year in the RoSaT, but ended up way stronger than Vegeta, who trained for two
-Vegeta did more special training over the seven year gap, but still ended weaker
-Goku ~ Vegeta (beyond limits)
-During the fight with Pure Boo, Vegeta gives up on trying to beat Goku, acknowledging that he can't.
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Goku never has a crazy amount of potential. Yeah he got way stronger but that was over many many years. Frieza doesn't have a lot of potential just by being born with it it also has to do with it building up because he's never trained
Goku was born with a lower power-level than Vegeta, yet he surpassed him and still has the lead on him. What power-level you're born with, doesn't determine your potential, I think.
Can't believe I missed this. Anyway, I think it has a lot to do with it honestly. You have to remember Goku is usually one step ahead of Vegeta as a result of a unique power up or unique method of training, and it's not like Vegeta hasn't taken the lead several times before, and has pretty much proven in Battle of Gods that he has something Goku does not. I'd argue that Vegeta does in fact have potential exceeding Goku's, it's just that Goku always manages to find a way to eliminate that factor with the methods I have already mentioned.
I think the manga implies that Goku has more potential than Vegeta

-Goku got a much bigger Zenkai on Namek (I would imagine that Zenkais bring out latent power)
-Goku trained for a single year in the RoSaT, but ended up way stronger than Vegeta, who trained for two
-Vegeta did more special training over the seven year gap, but still ended weaker
-Goku ~ Vegeta (beyond limits)
-During the fight with Pure Boo, Vegeta gives up on trying to beat Goku, acknowledging that he can't.
-Zenkais are entirely random, and Vegeta really wasn't too far off.
-Goku also sparred with Gohan and spent time mastering Super Saiyajin.
-Vegeta was on Earth. Goku was in Otherworld. Goku got whole hell of a lot more "special training" than Vegeta did. The fact that Vegeta kept up at all, starting out weaker mind you, is damn impressive.
-Vegeta was also weaker, so his current limits would reflect that.
-Vegeta acknowledges why Goku is number one, not that he can't surpass him.
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-Zenkais are entirely random, and Vegeta really wasn't too far off.
-Goku also sparred with Gohan and spent time mastering Super Saiyajin.
-Vegeta was on Earth. Goku was in Otherworld. Goku got whole hell of a lot more "special training" than Vegeta did. The fact that Vegeta kept up at all, starting out weaker mind you, is damn impressive.
-Vegeta was also weaker, so his current limits would reflect that.
-Vegeta acknowledges why Goku is number one, not that he can't surpass him.
Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…”

I would agree that Goku should have gotten more special training, but I can't see any reason why Vegeta would undercut himself here. If Goku really did get more special training, he could easily use that as a (valid) excuse for being weaker. Vegeta's admission that Goku is "a greater genius", is more-or-less an admission of inferior potential.

Him starting out weaker isn't really that impressive, considering he trained for twice as long before the Cell Games, solo or no.

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Vegeta got two zenkais and wasn't anywhere Goku who only had one. I know they're random, but they'd have to be limited by someone's dormant power.
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-Zenkais are entirely random, and Vegeta really wasn't too far off.
-Goku also sparred with Gohan and spent time mastering Super Saiyajin.
-Vegeta was on Earth. Goku was in Otherworld. Goku got whole hell of a lot more "special training" than Vegeta did. The fact that Vegeta kept up at all, starting out weaker mind you, is damn impressive.
-Vegeta was also weaker, so his current limits would reflect that.
-Vegeta acknowledges why Goku is number one, not that he can't surpass him.
Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…”

I would agree that Goku should have gotten more special training, but I can't see any reason why Vegeta would undercut himself here. If Goku really did get more special training, he could easily use that as a (valid) excuse for being weaker. Vegeta's admission that Goku is "a greater genius", is more-or-less an admission of inferior potential.

Him starting out weaker isn't really that impressive, considering he trained for twice as long before the Cell Games, solo or no.

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Vegeta got two zenkais and wasn't anywhere Goku who only had one. I know they're random, but they'd have to be limited by someone's dormant power.
I think Vegeta just means he trained harder. I honestly can't see how any amount of Earthly training could compare to training in Other world.
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-Zenkais are entirely random, and Vegeta really wasn't too far off.
-Goku also sparred with Gohan and spent time mastering Super Saiyajin.
-Vegeta was on Earth. Goku was in Otherworld. Goku got whole hell of a lot more "special training" than Vegeta did. The fact that Vegeta kept up at all, starting out weaker mind you, is damn impressive.
-Vegeta was also weaker, so his current limits would reflect that.
-Vegeta acknowledges why Goku is number one, not that he can't surpass him.
Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…”

I would agree that Goku should have gotten more special training, but I can't see any reason why Vegeta would undercut himself here. If Goku really did get more special training, he could easily use that as a (valid) excuse for being weaker. Vegeta's admission that Goku is "a greater genius", is more-or-less an admission of inferior potential.

Him starting out weaker isn't really that impressive, considering he trained for twice as long before the Cell Games, solo or no.

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Vegeta got two zenkais and wasn't anywhere Goku who only had one. I know they're random, but they'd have to be limited by someone's dormant power.
Vegeta has always been blinded by his pride. He trains harder than Goku does and probably does do some more complicated training but he doesn't train as smart as Goku.

As for the Namek zenkai, my theory is that a zenkai is a saiyans's biological defence mechanism which pushes their power past it's maximum to avoid suffering damage again next time. So Vegeta was around 500000 when he got his final zenkai and was pushed to over 2 million. Goku was at 90000 when he got his but with Kaioken x 20 his body had experienced 1.8 million, so his zenkai pushed him up to 3 million.

I mean Vegeta got a zenkai from a nap....soooooooooooo....
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