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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,243 Views)
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Sigh, sorry I had to address this argument:
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Freeza is a mutant prodigy born with a power level of 120,000,000 with access to much superior technology.
Goten, Trunks and Gohan were saiyan prodigies, who all mastered the legendary saiayn transformation before they were teenagers. The former two did it with ease and were able fight on par with 18, who is worlds above Freeza. People have to stop using this "prodigy" argument.

I can't really speak for Goten, but we do know that Trunks was born with a power level much lower than 120,000,000 as Future Trunks and Present Trunks are the same damn character. Now imagine, if these guys can reach levels rivaling #18 simply by play fighting, imagine what Freeza must be capable of.
Freeza was not born at 120000000. Sorry, I don't know why this niggles me so much but he wasn't. His power would have increased just from ageing and probably from being so old but still in his prime.

To say he was born at 120000000 is like saying Vegeta was born at 18000, he wasn't.

Freeza was born very strong but he didn't automatically at birth have a max power of 120000000, that'd be silly.
Aging would, if nothing else, decrease his battle power. No one has ever gotten stronger by simply aging, just look at Gohan. Umm, we can't exactly confirm what battle power Vegeta was born with, but we do know it was rather significant.
So you think Goku's power would have stayed at 2, weaker than an adult human had he not trained?
I guess not...?, but I also don't think Freeza's battle power would have increased all that much as the aging process affects your physical body more than anything else.
That's all I'm saying. It's the wording that niggles me.

You can say "Freeza's natural power without training is 120000000", it's a different thing to say "he was born at 120000000".

It seems like nitpicking but power levels at birth were important to saiyan hierarchy.
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How was Freeza able to control his ki perfectly if he doesn't train? How does he match Piccolo in a brawl if he's such a slob ? Why does Goku say his skills nerd polish instead of saying they aren't there?

Freeza not training is ridiculous, was he born with martial arts skill and ki control?
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Mar 6 2015, 05:33 PM
How was Freeza able to control his ki perfectly if he doesn't train? How does he match Piccolo in a brawl if he's such a slob ? Why does Goku say his skills nerd polish instead of saying they aren't there?

Freeza not training is ridiculous, was he born with martial arts skill and ki control?
I'm sure Freeza was taught by his father, which doesn't necessarily constitute training, in the sense of getting stronger, but rather practice.
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His useless moron of a father taught him ki control?
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The only thing ever said about Frieza is that he regressed himself out of his true form because his true form was so powerful naturally which fits since he wore himself out at his max.

And again as great a fighter as piccolo was he was also matched straight by 17. And goku who never trained but in basics was able to match Roshi blow for blow off instinct in their first budokai.

Some things come natural. I mean think about Ginyu goku vs gohan and Krillin. Those two acted like they had been fighting in stereo forever but had never actually done so or practiced it outsidr image training
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How was Freeza able to control his ki perfectly if he doesn't train? How does he match Piccolo in a brawl if he's such a slob ? Why does Goku say his skills nerd polish instead of saying they aren't there?

Freeza not training is ridiculous, was he born with martial arts skill and ki control?
He doesn't haver perfect ki control, he had to create entire new forms as buffers to control his power apparently

Edit: And he can't sense ki.
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How was Freeza able to control his ki perfectly if he doesn't train? How does he match Piccolo in a brawl if he's such a slob ? Why does Goku say his skills nerd polish instead of saying they aren't there?

Freeza not training is ridiculous, was he born with martial arts skill and ki control?
He doesn't haver perfect ki control, he had to create entire new forms as buffers to control his power apparently
Yep his max was similar to ussj. He burned himself out as much as GOKU. If anything training in his perfect form will be like mastering it ala Goku and Gohanin rosat, and then he will evolve ala ssj2 (which ain't radically different from ssj).

And again Freiza is a prodigy. Not just in terms of strength or skill, but in durability. The MF survived being cut in half and a planet exploding with no Ki hardly. Heck he's revived in pieces that trunks diced him into but still apparently was alive until trunks blasted him
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Mar 6 2015, 05:44 PM
His useless moron of a father taught him ki control?
Uh, yes...? You think just because he was killed by Trunks, he's incompetent when it comes to basic martial arts and Ki control?
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It doesnt matter whether someone knows martial arts or have perfect ki control, If that someone has tons and tons and tons of KI, they can do whatever they want.

for instance : Broly.

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@Lazerbem

It doesnt matter whether someone knows martial arts or have perfect ki control, If that someone has tons and tons and tons of KI, they can do whatever they want.

for instance : Broly.
Broli is nowhere near as skilled as Freeza though, so that's not a good comparison.
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Freeza could control his ki, Vegeta even mentions it when Freeza powers up in second form
"I thought he said he couldn't control his power? "

Something to those lines
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Does anyone feel like Goku and Vegeta is stealing Gohan's gimmick? First the rage bringing out hidden powers and now both Goku and Vegeta are no longer using SSJ to fight.

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Vegeta learned how to properly control his ki in the time between escaping from Earth and landing on Namek, so it can't really be a difficult thing to learn. In regards to Ki manipulation, he's just naturally gifted at it. He was able to create an attack that Krillin worked on for months, and is largely seen as one of the most expert, effective techniques in the series. Given that he doesn't really know what 'training' is, it wouldn't make sense to say that he trained as much or as hard as Krillin did.
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It's funny reading comments from people claiming Freeza can't control his ki.

The guy couldn't ascend to his additional forms if he couldn't control the level of his ki, just saying...

Also. Freeza and his new form did not end up looking how I thought it would, odd coloration and such.
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Frieza can control whatever he wants.
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