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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,246 Views)
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Mar 5 2015, 05:38 PM
how is tien not stronger than krillin lol, is tien even human? or some kind of human-noid creature
Quality not quantity? Maybe it's Master Roshi who makes the difference.

Or when Krillin Occasionally trains with 18 he really has to up his game.

We all know Yamcha is naturally the strongest. he never had a long term master and was more interested in women and baseball (lol filler) and yet he still remained relevant to their power.

And he can take on Olibu who was a hard match for Pikon (lol filler)
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Tenshinhan's so weak because he doesn't seem to deviate at all from his style of training. Goku was able to train in Otherworld and the RoSaT, Vegeta was able to consistently train with increasing Gravity and Krillin was given a potential unlock that carried on throughout the rest of the Namek Saga. All Tenshinhan seems to do is train with Chiaotzu, which would run its course very quickly and end up resulting in minuscule gains.
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Mar 5 2015, 05:49 PM
Tenshinhan's so weak because he doesn't seem to deviate at all from his style of training. Goku was able to train in Otherworld and the RoSaT, Vegeta was able to consistently train with increasing Gravity and Krillin was given a potential unlock that carried on throughout the rest of the Namek Saga. All Tenshinhan seems to do is train with Chiaotzu, which would run its course very quickly and end up resulting in minuscule gains.
I'm sure Vegeta's gravity machine has an upper limit? I don't think he can just keep increasing it. he has to add something else in to the mix.
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superperfectnerd
Mar 5 2015, 05:55 PM
Nagito Komaeda
Mar 5 2015, 05:49 PM
Tenshinhan's so weak because he doesn't seem to deviate at all from his style of training. Goku was able to train in Otherworld and the RoSaT, Vegeta was able to consistently train with increasing Gravity and Krillin was given a potential unlock that carried on throughout the rest of the Namek Saga. All Tenshinhan seems to do is train with Chiaotzu, which would run its course very quickly and end up resulting in minuscule gains.
I'm sure Vegeta's gravity machine has an upper limit? I don't think he can just keep increasing it. he has to add something else in to the mix.
True, I'd imagine there's some sort of limit. I forget, is him training with those robots in the Gravity Room filler?
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Mar 5 2015, 06:07 PM
superperfectnerd
Mar 5 2015, 05:55 PM
Nagito Komaeda
Mar 5 2015, 05:49 PM
Tenshinhan's so weak because he doesn't seem to deviate at all from his style of training. Goku was able to train in Otherworld and the RoSaT, Vegeta was able to consistently train with increasing Gravity and Krillin was given a potential unlock that carried on throughout the rest of the Namek Saga. All Tenshinhan seems to do is train with Chiaotzu, which would run its course very quickly and end up resulting in minuscule gains.
I'm sure Vegeta's gravity machine has an upper limit? I don't think he can just keep increasing it. he has to add something else in to the mix.
True, I'd imagine there's some sort of limit. I forget, is him training with those robots in the Gravity Room filler?
I think it is in the series but the ones he trains with in BOG with all the lasers isn't I suppose.

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superperfectnerd
Mar 5 2015, 06:09 PM
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superperfectnerd
Mar 5 2015, 05:55 PM
Nagito Komaeda
Mar 5 2015, 05:49 PM
Tenshinhan's so weak because he doesn't seem to deviate at all from his style of training. Goku was able to train in Otherworld and the RoSaT, Vegeta was able to consistently train with increasing Gravity and Krillin was given a potential unlock that carried on throughout the rest of the Namek Saga. All Tenshinhan seems to do is train with Chiaotzu, which would run its course very quickly and end up resulting in minuscule gains.
I'm sure Vegeta's gravity machine has an upper limit? I don't think he can just keep increasing it. he has to add something else in to the mix.
True, I'd imagine there's some sort of limit. I forget, is him training with those robots in the Gravity Room filler?
I think it is in the series but the ones he trains with in BOG with all the lasers isn't I suppose.

I see, interesting!

Well, Vegeta learning how to properly train and giving himself time to rest could be considered a new, different way of training, I guess. Goku criticises him for not doing so when he exits the RoSaT with Gohan; giving himself time to rest and for his potential roof to shoot back up, so training can actually lead to bigger, better gains.
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Yeah, Vegeta is an idiot when it comes to training. Sparring seems to be the best form of training and Vegeta seems to be sparring with Goku and Whis in this movie.
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Why 4 months of training? It is such a small amount of time considering that Goku didn't make nearly as much gains when he trained a year in the Rosat of all places.

A year should've been the bare minimum.
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Mar 5 2015, 06:41 PM
Why 4 months of training? It is such a small amount of time considering that Goku didn't make nearly as much gains when he trained a year in the Rosat of all places.

A year should've been the bare minimum.
Yeah, I agree. That's the only thing that's really annoying me. Why such a small amount of time? Freeza could have been revived and then they could skip ahead 3 years when Beerus wakes up if Toriyama wanted. 4 months just feels like such an arbitrary amount of time. I mean, is it meant to be a joke? Because it's making light of everything the z fighters have done to get stronger.
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Mar 5 2015, 06:41 PM
Why 4 months of training? It is such a small amount of time considering that Goku didn't make nearly as much gains when he trained a year in the Rosat of all places.

A year should've been the bare minimum.
Goku even if you give him a zenkai from being beat by Vegeta went from 9k range to 90k in 7 days and then 90k to 3mil hours later. We don't even know what training Frieza does. He could be as obsessive about it as Vegeta and more demanding of his troops than Piccolo even. He's never trained a day and was born at 120,000,000. Goku was born as a 2 and Vegeta didn't reach 5 digits till he was a brat.

People keep talking about his goons, but IMO if Frieza is going to train it will be all out and with the best tech they have. They've kept a good enough monitoring system on them to know Goku beat Buu, so they likely stole some training ideas. And again the goons didn't train because he didn't before, but now that he says its a must, I can see him going with an improve or die scenario to all the mutants
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Mar 5 2015, 06:57 PM
SuperSaiyan1993
Mar 5 2015, 06:41 PM
Why 4 months of training? It is such a small amount of time considering that Goku didn't make nearly as much gains when he trained a year in the Rosat of all places.

A year should've been the bare minimum.
Goku even if you give him a zenkai from being beat by Vegeta went from 9k range to 90k in 7 days and then 90k to 3mil hours later. We don't even know what training Frieza does. He could be as obsessive about it as Vegeta and more demanding of his troops than Piccolo even. He's never trained a day and was born at 120,000,000. Goku was born as a 2 and Vegeta didn't reach 5 digits till he was a brat.

People keep talking about his goons, but IMO if Frieza is going to train it will be all out and with the best tech they have. They've kept a good enough monitoring system on them to know Goku beat Buu, so they likely stole some training ideas. And again the goons didn't train because he didn't before, but now that he says its a must, I can see him going with an improve or die scenario to all the mutants
Freeza wasn't necessarily born at 120000000, he probably gre stronger as he aged as well and he's much older than the saiyans can biologically live to. Vegeta didn't train and he wasn't born at 18000. Maybe if Goku could live for thousands of years his power would eventually reach 120000000.

Goku was a rank amateur in hindsight when it came to training and the foes he fought in the Namek saga. The reason Goku and Vegeta got so strong was because they were actually pushing themselves. Since then their gains slowed down massively because they actually knew how to push themselves and what they were capable of.

Anyway, everything else you said is true but that doesn't mean 4 months is good. It's explainable but it still seems silly. A longer amount of time would make it all seem more dramaic, since Freeza appears and then leaves. He has as much time as he needs. Goku and Vegeta on Namek were in a situation they couldn't get out of, they powered up in days because they only had days. Freeza seems to have just plucked 4 months out of thin air and decided to train for that long before he returns to conquer.
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You may have to also take into account what he means by 4 months. On Namek a year is 3 earth months. There's no telling how many whatever months the planet Frieza is from shakes out for his race. That could be a year for his people and physiology, just like how Piccolo is only 4 years older than Gohan in earth years, but way out there in Namekian ones
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Mar 5 2015, 03:19 PM
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Mar 5 2015, 03:01 AM
I'm not even sure we will see ssjg in this movie anymore. The more I think about it I could see something going down where Goku mentions his dislike for having to use others' power to get the power of a god and Whis and Bills offer to get him there by himself. Then Vegeta joins.
If Goku did indeed absorb most of the ssjg powers into himself in base form (which makes sense for him not using ssj) then you're saying Vegeta catches up and maybe surpasses that without ssjg? Seems unlikely. Although in all the trailers we haven't actually seen Vegeta doing any fighting, so maybe he fights in ssj or ssj2.
If Frieza can catch up to Goku why can't Vegeta?
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Mar 5 2015, 07:59 PM
You may have to also take into account what he means by 4 months. On Namek a year is 3 earth months. There's no telling how many whatever months the planet Frieza is from shakes out for his race. That could be a year for his people and physiology, just like how Piccolo is only 4 years older than Gohan in earth years, but way out there in Namekian ones
Well he certainly has a different definition of '5 minutes'.
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That excerpt about Krillin is great and all, but you know what the rabid fanboys in denial will say.

"Krillin's voice actor's opinion doesn't mean anything."
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