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NEW DBZ MOVIE 2015: Fukkatsu no F (Warning: Spoilers in Topic)
Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 04:56 AM (364,270 Views)
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Feb 24 2015, 10:10 PM
That, and we STILL don't know what kind of training Freeza has in mind.
He just creates a thousand clones so he can train one thousand times faster.
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Feb 24 2015, 10:55 PM
Vegeta should be the one to finish the job.

It would be glorious.
Not only is that unlikely, I think it's worse than Goku doing it. Vegeta said Goku is better than him in the Boo Saga. These movies are barely sticking to canon as it is, that would just be the final nail in the coffin

On another note, if Freeza knew about Boo and Beers, why did he talk so much about being the strongest in the universe? He has shown himself to be arrogant, but not to that extent. Hell, even the non-cocky King Cold mentioned how his clan was the strongest in the universe. What, are Beers and Boo secretly part of Freeza's family?

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What anime are you referencing?
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Feb 24 2015, 10:55 PM
Vegeta should be the one to finish the job.

It would be glorious.
Not only is that unlikely, I think it's worse than Goku doing it. Vegeta said Goku is better than him in the Boo Saga. These movies are barely sticking to canon as it is, that would just be the final nail in the coffin

On another note, if Freeza knew about Boo and Beers, why did he talk so much about being the strongest in the universe? He has shown himself to be arrogant, but not to that extent. Hell, even the non-cocky King Cold mentioned how his clan was the strongest in the universe. What, are Beers and Boo secretly part of Freeza's family?

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What anime are you referencing?
Goku is 'better' than Vegeta because of his attitude, not any biological advantage or greater ultimate potential. I've said it before 'Goku' could have been any saiyan who landed on Earth and hit his head. If Vegeta has changed enough - and the evidence points to that being the case as he has agreed to train with Whis and Goku - then he can be just as strong, if not stronger than Goku. You can think it's a bad idea to have Vegeta get a win but that doesn't mean he can't ever be as relevant as Goku.

The second part I agree with. Freeza always seemed smarter than this movie is (at the moment) making him appear to be if he had all of this information.
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Perhaps he sought immortality because of creatures like Buu and Beerus.

Bar man-made creations, the hierarchy was basically...

Beerus > Buu > Kaioshin > Frieza

Buu is sealed, and Beerus/Kaioshin are not supposed to get involved in most mortal affairs. Makes sense.
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He must just be lazy.
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Who cares if they're not supposed to, you think Freeza would care? The fact that he knows is enough to throw into question all of his claims.

Freeza is many things, but he's not lazy
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Vegeta should be the one to finish the job.

It would be glorious.
Not only is that unlikely...
I'm gonna have to stop you right there. It is more likely now than it has ever been, what with Toriyama going on record claiming he'd like Vegeta to be the star in the next film and Vegeta surpassing Goku in Battle of Gods. I mean come on. Don't let your Vegeta hate boner get in the way of reason.
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Vegeta claimed the same thing when he knew Dodoria, Zarbon, the Ginyu Force, Frieza, Cold, and Beerus existed. What's your problem, man?

This is why you shouldn't take Vegeta's claim about being stronger than 18 and Piccolo seriously!
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Did Vegeta ever say he was the strongest in the universe except at times when he knew he would be assured in this? I remember him ranting about how he was the prince, but not much of saying he was the absolute strongest. Plus, Cold affirmed Freeza's claim. These movies just retcon a lot.

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I'm gonna have to stop you right there. It is more likely now than it has ever been, what with Toriyama going on record claiming he'd like Vegeta to be the star in the next film and Vegeta surpassing Goku in Battle of Gods. I mean come on. Don't let your Vegeta hate boner get in the way of reason.

It is more likely than ever, but still unlikely. I would be willing to bet my soul that Vegeta isn't going to kill Freeza. At most he'll provide a distraction for the Spirit Bomb or be a fusee for Gogeta/Vegito. Also, while I do loathe Vegeta, that's not why I say it's unlikely. I say it's unlikely because the movies love Goku
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movie will get a 10/10 if shenlong appears and eats freeza.
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Feb 24 2015, 11:58 PM
Did Vegeta ever say he was the strongest in the universe except at times when he knew he would be assured in this? I remember him ranting about how he was the prince, but not much of saying he was the absolute strongest. Plus, Cold affirmed Freeza's claim. These movies just retcon a lot.

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I'm gonna have to stop you right there. It is more likely now than it has ever been, what with Toriyama going on record claiming he'd like Vegeta to be the star in the next film and Vegeta surpassing Goku in Battle of Gods. I mean come on. Don't let your Vegeta hate boner get in the way of reason.

It is more likely than ever, but still unlikely. I would be willing to bet my soul that Vegeta isn't going to kill Freeza. At most he'll provide a distraction for the Spirit Bomb or be a fusee for Gogeta/Vegito. Also, while I do loathe Vegeta, that's not why I say it's unlikely. I say it's unlikely because the movies love Goku
Kill? I'm expecting Vegeta to beat him, not necessarily kill him. Toriyama is the one writing this film, not Toei. I wouldn't bank Toei's love for Goku here.
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Vegeta won't kill him? Hmm, that would be an interesting angle to pull. I still don't see it happening. Even in the Boo Saga when he didn't have his evil unlocked by Babidi, he was smiling as he blasted Pocus apart. I suppose he might have changed...
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We know little context to Freeza's mindset at this point. We may only speculate and quarrel.

Freeza may have deemed himself strongest due to Boo being sealed away and Beerus being an inactive deity for most of his lifetime.
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How do the Japanese feel about Goku? I mean I imagine they are Toriyama's first concern. Are they as cynical as us about seeing Goku save the day yet again? I always thought the Vegeta love was a more Western thing.

Also, Freeza's thinking when he decided 'Beerus only appears occasionally so w/e' was pretty stupid considering at the start of BOG Beerus moans about how annoying Freeza is and that he might just go and kill him if he can be bothered to make the journey. He wakes up every 30 years, eventually he would have been motivated enough and one, two or even a whole series of anime episodes wouldn't be enough time for Freeza to train and take on the God of Destruction.
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