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Who is the strongest in the SSB Verse
Topic Started: Nov 17 2014, 02:38 AM (2,495 Views)
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I read a thread on who would win a fight between kirby (With a Majin buu ability) and Buu and some where along the lines people were talking about who were the strongest in smash.

If where going to do this im excluding Archie Sonic (Since it isnt cannon and isnt made by sega). Only Video Game Sonic.

Here are some Feats from the cast.

Ganondorf: Having a piece of the omniscient Triforce, left by by the three Golden Godesses (The triforce of power) Ganondorf has immortality and other powers at his disposal.
Feats:Took out the holy Sages of earth (These Sages where said to keep balance in the world)/ Survived the Sages execution.
He also can make an endless night foe earth.

Donkey Kong: Punched the moon out of orbit (Best Feat).

Wario: He is stated to be the only human in his verse to rival DK in strength.
Feats:Took down the Shake King (Some one who took over a alternate earth/dimension)
Took out the Black Jewel (The God Jewel)
Took out Rudy The Clown (Evil Demon)
Can pile drive a T-rex
Can cause earthquakes just from pounding the ground

Mario: Beat Wario in thier first battle with skill, Beat Cranky Kong in his Prime, Beat Bowser numerous times.

Meta Knight:Can strike and react at the speed of sound
Also beat Galacta Knight (Strongest being in his verse)

Sonic:Runs at the speed of sound.

Captain Falcon:Lit up a small portion of a Galaxy with his Falcon Punch that killed Black Shadow.
Stalemated Blood Falcon.

Thats all i really know who do you think is the strongest.
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Sonic> Shadow is a fact now no debate. Sonic just beat him in generations, Sonic can learn Shadow's powers from just watching him and in SA2 he even admits Sonic might be the true ultimate life form.

Sonic is able to fight on par with Knuckles and Shadow. Also Sonic's crusin speed is the speed of sound his top speed is light speed.

Also in Brawl Tabuu had the cast helpless till Sonic showed up and destroyed his wings.

Finally Ganondorf is not immortal he keeps getting resurrected.
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Nov 18 2014, 11:24 AM
Sonic> Shadow is a fact now no debate. Sonic just beat him in generations, Sonic can learn Shadow's powers from just watching him and in SA2 he even admits Sonic might be the true ultimate life form.

Sonic is able to fight on par with Knuckles and Shadow. Also Sonic's crusin speed is the speed of sound his top speed is light speed.

Also in Brawl Tabuu had the cast helpless till Sonic showed up and destroyed his wings.

Finally Ganondorf is not immortal he keeps getting resurrected.
The instance with Tabuu isn't really fair, he was caught off guard.

Anyway, Sonic still is able to pull free of a black hole, which makes him tons stronger than the cast
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Nov 18 2014, 02:36 AM
In what universe did base Sonic so much as touch Perfect Chaos? He didn't do a goddamn thing to him until he went Super.

Sonic's got the speed. He's like the Flashbsans Speed Force really. And Besides, that world class d***, with all the speed in the world's, showed up LATE for Brawl! How do you decide not to show up until the final boss? Shame on you Hedgehog, SHAME!

Besides, shadow can do everything Sonic can do and more. In addition to amazing martial arts talent and super sonic speed, Shadow has a natural connection to the chaos force, is built into a nearly indestructible body, can project and channel chaos energy, manipulate time and space with it, amplify it through his body, has enough muscle to flip a city bus one handed, and frankly he's just more interesting. Emo, but he's got impeccable aim with apparently any weapon he runs into and can ride a motorcycle for some reason. Shade's a bad Mutha.
You really need to brush up on your Sonic. In Sonic Generations, base Sonic crushed Perfect Chaos with the greatest of ease, same happened to Shadow and Silver. Honestly, Shadow has never been equal to Sonic, at best he's rivaled him, but these days, Shadow is essentially nothing. I also don't really understand how anyone can think Shadow is interesting. His character went downhill after Sonic Adventure 2 with that whole amnesia business.
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Nov 18 2014, 11:24 AM
Sonic> Shadow is a fact now no debate. Sonic just beat him in generations, Sonic can learn Shadow's powers from just watching him and in SA2 he even admits Sonic might be the true ultimate life form.

Sonic is able to fight on par with Knuckles and Shadow. Also Sonic's crusin speed is the speed of sound his top speed is light speed.

Also in Brawl Tabuu had the cast helpless till Sonic showed up and destroyed his wings.

Finally Ganondorf is not immortal he keeps getting resurrected.
Ganondorf is immortal but can be killed by Links master sword and Zeldas Light arrows. So in a way hes near immortal but can only be killed by things thats purpose is to nullify his power.

Fastest:Sonic
Strongest:Donkey Kong III
Powerful:Captain Falcon or Kirby
Skilled:Mario

Sonic is looking more impressive than the cast just because of his speed feats. Punching the moon out of orbit is crazy, Has Sonic ever shown a strength feat that extreme, Nope, Has Knuckles even shown a strength feat like DK or Wario.
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Nov 18 2014, 11:24 AM
Sonic> Shadow is a fact now no debate. Sonic just beat him in generations, Sonic can learn Shadow's powers from just watching him and in SA2 he even admits Sonic might be the true ultimate life form.

Sonic is able to fight on par with Knuckles and Shadow. Also Sonic's crusin speed is the speed of sound his top speed is light speed.

Also in Brawl Tabuu had the cast helpless till Sonic showed up and destroyed his wings.

Finally Ganondorf is not immortal he keeps getting resurrected.
Ganondorf is immortal but can be killed by Links master sword and Zeldas Light arrows. So in a way hes near immortal but can only be killed by things thats purpose is to nullify his power.

Fastest:Sonic
Strongest:Donkey Kong III
Powerful:Captain Falcon or Kirby
Skilled:Mario

Sonic is looking more impressive than the cast just because of his speed feats. Punching the moon out of orbit is crazy, Has Sonic ever shown a strength feat that extreme, Nope, Has Knuckles even shown a strength feat like DK or Wario.
He is casually able to resist a black hole as well as fight an omnitemporal god with control over the universe.

Yeah, his finger can poke a hole through DK's skull. Ganondorf becomes Sonic's b*** after he kills everyone else
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Nov 19 2014, 03:16 AM
miguelnuva
Nov 18 2014, 11:24 AM
Sonic> Shadow is a fact now no debate. Sonic just beat him in generations, Sonic can learn Shadow's powers from just watching him and in SA2 he even admits Sonic might be the true ultimate life form.

Sonic is able to fight on par with Knuckles and Shadow. Also Sonic's crusin speed is the speed of sound his top speed is light speed.

Also in Brawl Tabuu had the cast helpless till Sonic showed up and destroyed his wings.

Finally Ganondorf is not immortal he keeps getting resurrected.
Ganondorf is immortal but can be killed by Links master sword and Zeldas Light arrows. So in a way hes near immortal but can only be killed by things thats purpose is to nullify his power.

Fastest:Sonic
Strongest:Donkey Kong III
Powerful:Captain Falcon or Kirby
Skilled:Mario

Sonic is looking more impressive than the cast just because of his speed feats. Punching the moon out of orbit is crazy, Has Sonic ever shown a strength feat that extreme, Nope, Has Knuckles even shown a strength feat like DK or Wario.
Sonic has far more than speed on his side. The guy breaks robots made by a man with an IQ of 300. Beyond that, Sonic beat down a god in his base form. I can also assure you that Sonic's skill in combat heavily outweighs Mario's since he uses that speed to his advantage when stringing together attacks. Knuckles has more impressive feats than that outside his games, but then, defeating Perfect Chaos is far more impressive than punching the moon out of orbit.
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There is no universe where sonic the hedgehog is a more skillful martial arist than Mario just because he's fast. That has nothing to do with one's knowledge of the martial arts.
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Nov 19 2014, 03:40 AM
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Nov 19 2014, 03:16 AM
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Nov 18 2014, 11:24 AM
Sonic> Shadow is a fact now no debate. Sonic just beat him in generations, Sonic can learn Shadow's powers from just watching him and in SA2 he even admits Sonic might be the true ultimate life form.

Sonic is able to fight on par with Knuckles and Shadow. Also Sonic's crusin speed is the speed of sound his top speed is light speed.

Also in Brawl Tabuu had the cast helpless till Sonic showed up and destroyed his wings.

Finally Ganondorf is not immortal he keeps getting resurrected.
Ganondorf is immortal but can be killed by Links master sword and Zeldas Light arrows. So in a way hes near immortal but can only be killed by things thats purpose is to nullify his power.

Fastest:Sonic
Strongest:Donkey Kong III
Powerful:Captain Falcon or Kirby
Skilled:Mario

Sonic is looking more impressive than the cast just because of his speed feats. Punching the moon out of orbit is crazy, Has Sonic ever shown a strength feat that extreme, Nope, Has Knuckles even shown a strength feat like DK or Wario.
Sonic has far more than speed on his side. The guy breaks robots made by a man with an IQ of 300. Beyond that, Sonic beat down a god in his base form. I can also assure you that Sonic's skill in combat heavily outweighs Mario's since he uses that speed to his advantage when stringing together attacks. Knuckles has more impressive feats than that outside his games, but then, defeating Perfect Chaos is far more impressive than punching the moon out of orbit.
The only ability Mario is showned to have is his jumping ability yet hes able to beat guys who should be able to one shot him. Sonic being faster than him dosent mean hes a better fighter, Thats like saying Flash is a better fighter than Ryu.
Sonic still isnt the most strongest deal with it,he beat godly foes but has and possibly never will show a strength feat as crazy as Dk or even Wario.
Also can we stop talking about any sonic media outside the game, The archie comics arent cannon. DK>>>>Cannon Knuckles

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Nov 20 2014, 02:38 AM
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Nov 19 2014, 03:40 AM
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Nov 19 2014, 03:16 AM
miguelnuva
Nov 18 2014, 11:24 AM
Sonic> Shadow is a fact now no debate. Sonic just beat him in generations, Sonic can learn Shadow's powers from just watching him and in SA2 he even admits Sonic might be the true ultimate life form.

Sonic is able to fight on par with Knuckles and Shadow. Also Sonic's crusin speed is the speed of sound his top speed is light speed.

Also in Brawl Tabuu had the cast helpless till Sonic showed up and destroyed his wings.

Finally Ganondorf is not immortal he keeps getting resurrected.
Ganondorf is immortal but can be killed by Links master sword and Zeldas Light arrows. So in a way hes near immortal but can only be killed by things thats purpose is to nullify his power.

Fastest:Sonic
Strongest:Donkey Kong III
Powerful:Captain Falcon or Kirby
Skilled:Mario

Sonic is looking more impressive than the cast just because of his speed feats. Punching the moon out of orbit is crazy, Has Sonic ever shown a strength feat that extreme, Nope, Has Knuckles even shown a strength feat like DK or Wario.
Sonic has far more than speed on his side. The guy breaks robots made by a man with an IQ of 300. Beyond that, Sonic beat down a god in his base form. I can also assure you that Sonic's skill in combat heavily outweighs Mario's since he uses that speed to his advantage when stringing together attacks. Knuckles has more impressive feats than that outside his games, but then, defeating Perfect Chaos is far more impressive than punching the moon out of orbit.
The only ability Mario is showned to have is his jumping ability yet hes able to beat guys who should be able to one shot him. Sonic being faster than him dosent mean hes a better fighter, Thats like saying Flash is a better fighter than Ryu.
Sonic still isnt the most strongest deal with it,he beat godly foes but has and possibly never will show a strength feat as crazy as Dk or even Wario.
Also can we stop talking about any sonic media outside the game, The archie comics arent cannon. DK>>>>Cannon Knuckles

He survived the pull of a black hole.

And the Flash doesn't need to be more skilled than Ryu, he can just kick his a***. Something you fail to understand is that the faster something goes, the more it will hurt when it hits you. Sonic does not move at the speed of sound, he's capable of blitzing the crap out of Tabuu before he can react, someone who was capable of attacking before the likes of Meta-Knight could attack. Sonic's strength is already greater given his resistance to a black hole, his speed just seals the deal even further
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God dammit, now I gotta buy this generations game to figure out what nonsense about black holes you guys are talking about
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Nov 20 2014, 02:59 AM
God dammit, now I gotta buy this generations game to figure out what nonsense about black holes you guys are talking about
I believe the black hole thing is from Colors.
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There is no universe where sonic the hedgehog is a more skillful martial arist than Mario just because he's fast. That has nothing to do with one's knowledge of the martial arts.

And what makes Mario's knowledge of martial arts so vast? Speed has a lot to do with Sonic's knowledge of combat. His speed allows him to do things Mario never could. Honestly, I'd like to see Mario pull off half the sh** Sonic can.
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The only ability Mario is showned to have is his jumping ability yet hes able to beat guys who should be able to one shot him. Sonic being faster than him dosent mean hes a better fighter, Thats like saying Flash is a better fighter than Ryu.
Sonic still isnt the most strongest deal with it,he beat godly foes but has and possibly never will show a strength feat as crazy as Dk or even Wario.
Also can we stop talking about any sonic media outside the game, The archie comics arent cannon. DK>>>>Cannon Knuckles

Sonic has proven his combat worth time and time again. He isn't all about running like you seem to think he is. Again, I don't see how pushing the Moon out of it's orbit is anywhere near as impressive as beating Perfect Chaos, a god who has the power to lay waste to an entire planet. Archie ain't canon to the video games, sure, but it has it's own canon, just like Sonic X and Sonic Boom. Knuckles should be stronger than Sonic, so I would imagine his strength surpasses that of DK's based on Sonic's ability to beat Perfect Chaos. If I may ask though, what were the circumstances in which Donkey Kong moved the Moon out of orbit?
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Oh god, I didn't play colors either. Two games...
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Here's the difference between Ryu and The Flash. Ryu can have all the skill he wants, but Flash will still tag Ryu one hundred to two hundred times before Ryu can even realize Flash moved. His NERVES wouldn't be able to keep up with the speed Flash would be punching him at.

Apply this more or less to Sonic (except in a possibly greater degree) against people like Mario.
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Look all we're saying is that speed and skill are not synonymous. If that was true, then usain bolt could beat Jason David Frank in a fight. And I'll be damned if Cool Runnings beats the Green Ranger in a fight. No one is dumb enough to think that because someone is fast they automatically know how to fight. Unless you've never been in a physical altercation EVER!!!
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Nov 20 2014, 03:49 AM
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God dammit, now I gotta buy this generations game to figure out what nonsense about black holes you guys are talking about
I believe the black hole thing is from Colors.
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There is no universe where sonic the hedgehog is a more skillful martial arist than Mario just because he's fast. That has nothing to do with one's knowledge of the martial arts.

And what makes Mario's knowledge of martial arts so vast? Speed has a lot to do with Sonic's knowledge of combat. His speed allows him to do things Mario never could. Honestly, I'd like to see Mario pull off half the sh** Sonic can.
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The only ability Mario is showned to have is his jumping ability yet hes able to beat guys who should be able to one shot him. Sonic being faster than him dosent mean hes a better fighter, Thats like saying Flash is a better fighter than Ryu.
Sonic still isnt the most strongest deal with it,he beat godly foes but has and possibly never will show a strength feat as crazy as Dk or even Wario.
Also can we stop talking about any sonic media outside the game, The archie comics arent cannon. DK>>>>Cannon Knuckles

Sonic has proven his combat worth time and time again. He isn't all about running like you seem to think he is. Again, I don't see how pushing the Moon out of it's orbit is anywhere near as impressive as beating Perfect Chaos, a god who has the power to lay waste to an entire planet. Archie ain't canon to the video games, sure, but it has it's own canon, just like Sonic X and Sonic Boom. Knuckles should be stronger than Sonic, so I would imagine his strength surpasses that of DK's based on Sonic's ability to beat Perfect Chaos. If I may ask though, what were the circumstances in which Donkey Kong moved the Moon out of orbit?
In Donkey Kong Country Returns (The Ending) DK Was seen In Space, The Kong Islands Volcano was about to blow, So he punch the moon so hard it ended up entering the earths atmosphere.

To every one thats saying OH FLASH CAN BEAT RYU, I KNOW THIS. Im simply saying Ryu is a far better martial artist and fighter. Mario is a better Fighter since in his base form with no powers exept for his trademark Jumping ability he is able to beat foes who should be able to one shot him.

Tabuu wasnt paying any attention to Sonic, Sonic weakening his wings could have been done by any SSB Top tiers, The Cast distracted him than sonic sneak attacked him.

Saying Archie Comics are its own cannon is like saying GT IS ITS OWN Cannon. The Sonic Games are the main Cannon, every thing else is just side stories.

As far feats showned Knuckles is weaker than Wario.


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