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Why do people keep on labeling gropers as rapists?
Topic Started: Nov 13 2014, 02:48 AM (2,189 Views)
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It's not something that should just be ignored but I think the punishments for groping are way too severe.

People are way too sensitive these days in basically all area's of crime.


I think it's dumb that you can slap someone on the butt and get sued when there are plenty people who wouldn't even care, maybe feel a bit violated but not take any legal action. Heck there's plenty people who'd enjoy it.
So in my opinion it's just stupid for it to be as highly punishable as it is, at least for first time offences a rich person shouldn't be allowed to touch anyone up just because they can pay hundreds of fines.
More than twice with obvious intent should be definite sex offenders list and two should be possible to get on it depending on the severity because obviously a boob or butt grab is nothing compared to putting hands down pants and actually touching genitals.

Anyone who's life is ruined because someone slaps their butt needs mental help throwing someone in jail or fining them thousands of dollars/pounds etc is ridiculous. How do such unbelievably fragile people function in society? If they were raped or sexually abused then fair enough I guess but unless the perpetrator definitely knows that they shouldn't get punished more than with any other victim.


It's a seriously creepy thing to do and obviously some people who do it could be rapists or turn in to them but the act alone is hardly mass murder.


Another thing is that with people being so sensitive, going on the sex offenders list for doing it once or twice is silly because for instance a train could come to a sudden halt and you could stumble over, uncontrollably touching someone's crotch area or wherever then this sad human being decides to take you for everything you own because they figured you were doing it on purpose or are just a*****.

And if you'd previously offended there's no way the courts wouldn't assume it was on purpose without video evidence or tons of witnesses.
So you'd be on the sex offenders list and your life would basically be ruined over an accidental groping which could happen in a multitude of ways.
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I'm not going to offend anyone here, but people are just so retarded these days. I hate the sensitive crooks who elected Obama, De Blasio, and Charles Schumer into office.
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You think it would have been less retarded to vote any of the other candidates in? Obama was the best available at the time in both elections. Plus after what the Bush administration did to America, Republicans weren't going to win for a while. However, apparently the candidates for the next election are much more appealing, even some of the republican ones. So I've heard anyway.


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Nov 14 2014, 10:43 PM
I'm not going to offend anyone here, but people are just so retarded these days. I hate the sensitive crooks who elected Obama, De Blasio, and Charles Schumer into office.
So, correct me if i'm wrong here, but you're saying you think it should be perfectly acceptable to feel a woman up without her permission?

@Steve, if it's an accident then i'm sure it's fine, but usually people don't feel someone up and then apologise for it in a sincere manner. If you touch someone in a sexual manner without their permission that is a violation of their bodies plain and simple.
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Nov 14 2014, 11:27 PM
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I'm not going to offend anyone here, but people are just so retarded these days. I hate the sensitive crooks who elected Obama, De Blasio, and Charles Schumer into office.
So, correct me if i'm wrong here, but you're saying you think it should be perfectly acceptable to feel a woman up without her permission?

@Steve, if it's an accident then i'm sure it's fine, but usually people don't feel someone up and then apologise for it in a sincere manner. If you touch someone in a sexual manner without their permission that is a violation of their bodies plain and simple.
Some people like it and some people don't. That's how the way it is.

But as for groping in crowded places, expect it to happen intentionally and unintentionally, because it's CROWDED.

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Groping falls under the offence of sexual assault. It makes the victim feel unsafe and can have a huge effect on their confidence and state of mind.
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Accidentally nudging a women's breast with your elbow is not the same as deliberately putting your hands on people. When it's an accident most people say sorry and it's obvious that it was accidental. If there's a disagreement then it's up to the courts to decide who was wrong. They might not get it right every time but that's how our justice system works.


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Nov 14 2014, 11:35 PM
Accidentally nudging a women's breast with your elbow is not the same as deliberately putting your hands on people. When it's an accident most people say sorry and it's obvious that it was accidental. If there's a disagreement then it's up to the courts to decide who was wrong. They might not get it right every time but that's how our justice system works.
Sex assaults committed by teenagers may actually be forgivable. I think the law should go easy on them because they're still kids and don't know the consequences nor do they know that they are crimes yet. It is when you're 21 should you know better than to not sexually assault anybody.
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Sex assaults made by teens should not be forgived if they were lawfully sex assaults. To allow one group to be forgiven just because "they didn't know better" is to open a large precedence no sane lawmaker wants on their hands.
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Nov 15 2014, 01:12 AM
Sex assaults made by teens should not be forgived if they were lawfully sex assaults. To allow one group to be forgiven just because "they didn't know better" is to open a large precedence no sane lawmaker wants on their hands.
So what do you want them to do then? They're still kids, they ain't adults yet. The mind is not mature yet, it's still in the baby mode. I can't believe you're going to argue against this. They should get some prison time, but it shouldn't be as much as an adult would get. Taking someone's life away just when he or she did something stupid when he or she was a kid is just as stupid as saying someone who pissed outside the toilet should get punished forever.
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People learn right and wrong by the time they are teenagers. They are fully responsible for their behaviour and as such should be punished the same way that adults are under the law.


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I'm not saying punish them as harshly as an adult would be, but punish them nonetheless. You can't tell me a teen doesn't know the difference between consensual and non-consensual contact. And if you do find one, I wouldn't want the kid anywhere near any other kids. Is it fair? Hell no, but it is JUSTIFIED. And that has to do, for the moment. A teen who begins his life with sexual molestation and assault charges is only gonna ramp up in intensity. Same with those who kill, or steal. The number of offenders that stick to the same level of charges across their entire criminal life is short if you don't count the ones that ended up dead.
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People learn right and wrong by the time they are teenagers. They are fully responsible for their behaviour and as such should be punished the same way that adults are under the law.
Bro, they're still in MIDDLE SCHOOL/HIGH SCHOOL. The law doesn't say you're an adult at least until you're 18, even though I would like it to be changed to 21 someday.

I'm not saying punish them as harshly as an adult would be, but punish them nonetheless. You can't tell me a teen doesn't know the difference between consensual and non-consensual contact. And if you do find one, I wouldn't want the kid anywhere near any other kids. Is it fair? Hell no, but it is JUSTIFIED. And that has to do, for the moment. A teen who begins his life with sexual molestation and assault charges is only gonna ramp up in intensity. Same with those who kill, or steal. The number of offenders that stick to the same level of charges across their entire criminal life is short if you don't count the ones that ended up dead.

So if they get in trouble or get reported, you punish them to some extent so they'll learn to not do it again. Also, you have to consider that teenagers are most of the time stupid, they'll continue their acts even when someone told them to stop; for example, sexual harrasement. When a girl tells a guy to stop making annoying kisses to her, he'll just continue it. You'll need an adult to teach the guy a lesson so the guy won't do it as an adult because as an adult, you face LEGAL consequences for these things. Like I said, kids are kids and adults are adults. It has nothing to do with whether or not they know it's consensual or non consensual, it has to do with the fact that they're immature and STUPID.

You stop them at first hand so the kids will know the behavior is unacceptable from now on. It's always better to catch someone's mistakes early so they aren't repeated in the future.
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They might not be adults but they still know the consequences of their actions. There are plenty of teenagers who don't commit acts of sexual assaults for that very reason. The ones who do aren't breaking the law because they are children, they are doing it because they have serious personality disorders.

If you look at the backgrounds of sexual offenders then you often see instances of neglect and abuse. Does that excuse inappropriate behaviour? No. But it's not because they don't have adult brains yet. It's down to much more complicated issues that vary from case to case.


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