King Kakarot

Nov 13 2014, 09:18 PM

He supressed his power too much

Goku even tells him he screwed up

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 13 2014, 09:20 PM

Both blasts had planet busting power. Whether vegetas was just a core buster or not we don't know

King Kakarot

Nov 13 2014, 09:22 PM

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 13 2014, 09:20 PM

Both blasts had planet busting power. Whether vegetas was just a core buster or not we don't know

Why would vegeta's be a core buster?

Are you trying to base it off when freeza held back and as said by goku "screwed up" as a reason to why vegeta can't 1 shot the planet?

Edit: yes it's called suspension of belief somethings just make no sense but you have to roll with it for the sake of the story

Nagito Komaeda

Nov 13 2014, 09:27 PM

King Kakarot

Nov 13 2014, 09:22 PM

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 13 2014, 09:20 PM

Both blasts had planet busting power. Whether vegetas was just a core buster or not we don't know

Why would vegeta's be a core buster?

Are you trying to base it off when freeza held back and as said by goku "screwed up" as a reason to why vegeta can't 1 shot the planet?

Edit: yes it's called suspension of belief somethings just make no sense but you have to roll with it for the sake of the story

Or, y'know, an attack at that level isn't capable if blowing up Namek by itself. Nobody seemed concerned about Vegeta's attack destroying the planet, even though Freeza had been dodging every single one of Vegeta's ki blasts.

King Kakarot

Nov 13 2014, 09:29 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Nov 13 2014, 09:27 PM

King Kakarot

Nov 13 2014, 09:22 PM

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 13 2014, 09:20 PM

Both blasts had planet busting power. Whether vegetas was just a core buster or not we don't know

Why would vegeta's be a core buster?

Are you trying to base it off when freeza held back and as said by goku "screwed up" as a reason to why vegeta can't 1 shot the planet?

Edit: yes it's called suspension of belief somethings just make no sense but you have to roll with it for the sake of the story

Or, y'know, an attack at that level isn't capable if blowing up Namek by itself. Nobody seemed concerned about Vegeta's attack destroying the planet, even though Freeza had been dodging every single one of Vegeta's ki blasts.

Aoe =/= potency

Nagito Komaeda

Nov 13 2014, 09:31 PM

King Kakarot

Nov 13 2014, 09:29 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Nov 13 2014, 09:27 PM

King Kakarot

Nov 13 2014, 09:22 PM

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 13 2014, 09:20 PM

Both blasts had planet busting power. Whether vegetas was just a core buster or not we don't know

Why would vegeta's be a core buster?

Are you trying to base it off when freeza held back and as said by goku "screwed up" as a reason to why vegeta can't 1 shot the planet?

Edit: yes it's called suspension of belief somethings just make no sense but you have to roll with it for the sake of the story

Or, y'know, an attack at that level isn't capable if blowing up Namek by itself. Nobody seemed concerned about Vegeta's attack destroying the planet, even though Freeza had been dodging every single one of Vegeta's ki blasts.

Aoe =/= potency

There's also the fact that Vegeta said that he'd 'smash' the Earth to pieces. He was angry, but he wasn't crazy enough to cause his own death because of some low-class trash.

Chapter: 231 (DBZ 37), P4.2/P6.2/P12.5
Context: Vegeta prepares to fire the Gyarikku-Ho
Vegeta: “Dodge this if you can!!!! Even if you save yourself, the Earth will be smashed to pieces!!!!! [ ] You’ll never block my Gyarikku-Ho…!!!! Turn to space dust together with the Earth!!!!!”
Goku: “x4!!!!!” *he uses the Kaio-ken x4

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 13 2014, 09:38 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Nov 13 2014, 09:31 PM

King Kakarot

Nov 13 2014, 09:29 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Nov 13 2014, 09:27 PM

King Kakarot

Nov 13 2014, 09:22 PM

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 13 2014, 09:20 PM

Both blasts had planet busting power. Whether vegetas was just a core buster or not we don't know

Why would vegeta's be a core buster?

Are you trying to base it off when freeza held back and as said by goku "screwed up" as a reason to why vegeta can't 1 shot the planet?

Edit: yes it's called suspension of belief somethings just make no sense but you have to roll with it for the sake of the story

Or, y'know, an attack at that level isn't capable if blowing up Namek by itself. Nobody seemed concerned about Vegeta's attack destroying the planet, even though Freeza had been dodging every single one of Vegeta's ki blasts.

Aoe =/= potency

There's also the fact that Vegeta said that he'd 'smash' the Earth to pieces. He was angry, but he wasn't crazy enough to cause his own death because of some low-class trash.

Chapter: 231 (DBZ 37), P4.2/P6.2/P12.5
Context: Vegeta prepares to fire the Gyarikku-Ho
Vegeta: “Dodge this if you can!!!! Even if you save yourself, the Earth will be smashed to pieces!!!!! [ ] You’ll never block my Gyarikku-Ho…!!!! Turn to space dust together with the Earth!!!!!”
Goku: “x4!!!!!” *he uses the Kaio-ken x4

This is why I say we don't know if vegeta was just a core buster or not till later. He didn't really make sense

Nagito Komaeda

Nov 13 2014, 09:17 PM

Also, notice that it's Herms who describes it as a 'planet-destroying attack'. I couldn't find a statement that referred to it as such;

Chapter: 306 (DBZ 112), P5.1-2
Context: talking about Vegeta’s planet-destroying attack
Piccolo: “H-he knocked that back with just a kick…”
Kuririn: “That should have been Vegeta’s full power strike…He’s too incredible…"

Nagito Komaeda

Nov 13 2014, 09:40 PM

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 13 2014, 09:38 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Nov 13 2014, 09:31 PM

King Kakarot

Nov 13 2014, 09:29 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Nov 13 2014, 09:27 PM

King Kakarot

Nov 13 2014, 09:22 PM

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 13 2014, 09:20 PM

Both blasts had planet busting power. Whether vegetas was just a core buster or not we don't know

Why would vegeta's be a core buster?

Are you trying to base it off when freeza held back and as said by goku "screwed up" as a reason to why vegeta can't 1 shot the planet?

Edit: yes it's called suspension of belief somethings just make no sense but you have to roll with it for the sake of the story

Or, y'know, an attack at that level isn't capable if blowing up Namek by itself. Nobody seemed concerned about Vegeta's attack destroying the planet, even though Freeza had been dodging every single one of Vegeta's ki blasts.

Aoe =/= potency

There's also the fact that Vegeta said that he'd 'smash' the Earth to pieces. He was angry, but he wasn't crazy enough to cause his own death because of some low-class trash.

Chapter: 231 (DBZ 37), P4.2/P6.2/P12.5
Context: Vegeta prepares to fire the Gyarikku-Ho
Vegeta: “Dodge this if you can!!!! Even if you save yourself, the Earth will be smashed to pieces!!!!! [ ] You’ll never block my Gyarikku-Ho…!!!! Turn to space dust together with the Earth!!!!!”
Goku: “x4!!!!!” *he uses the Kaio-ken x4

This is why I say we don't know if vegeta was just a core buster or not till later. He didn't really make sense

Oh, I completely agree with him being a core buster, at least just a planet the size of the Earth. How big is Namek? If it's about the same size as Earth, then Freeza either suppressed to the point where he about as strong as Saiyans Saga Vegeta, or ki attacks and resulting damage don't scale linearly.

supersaqer

Nov 13 2014, 08:28 PM

Who did bring PL in here? I'm sure I didn't, and I'm sure I didn't see anywhere.

I don't care if Naruto can fire a lot of Bijuudamas with his stamina. He was out of gas after fighting Kaguya, and his All Release Bijuudama combo didn't do anything even remotely close to planet level destruction.

Naruto won't be capable of taking on Vegeta. He'd have trouble against Raditz.

Steve

Nov 14 2014, 01:16 PM

supersaqer

Nov 13 2014, 08:28 PM

Who did bring PL in here? I'm sure I didn't, and I'm sure I didn't see anywhere.

I don't care if Naruto can fire a lot of Bijuudamas with his stamina. He was out of gas after fighting Kaguya, and his All Release Bijuudama combo didn't do anything even remotely close to planet level destruction.

Naruto won't be capable of taking on Vegeta. He'd have trouble against Raditz.

I'm not saying you did but people here seem to be under the impression that because Vegeta has thousands more PL than raditz that makes him able to beat everyone in Naruto when Naruto characters strength doesn't scale linearly like that.

He was out of gas after fighting Kaguya and a whole war for lile over a day he wasn't at 100%...
Because he wasn't trying to destroy the planet maybe? Naruto could easily core bust jhe just wouldn't because he canmt survive in space and it's a retarded thing to do if you can't.

Raditz who got beat by a Full Nelson and an attack that takes like 5 minutes to charge.


Vegeta is a core buster not a planet buster, there's a massive gap between being able to bust the core and set off the planet destroying chain reaction and blowing up a planet with a single explosion if Vegeta core busts at say 60k being at 120k doesn't make him a planet buster if you have to destroy a relatively small corr to blow a planet up it takes wayyyy longer to have the destructive capacity to blow up a whole planet...



So we've established how DBZ characters don't have great physical strength right? I mean everyone here knows they can't lift thousands and thousands of tons? Least not in Namek levels.

So how does Vegeta tank being squished by a Bijuudama?
Remember he got f***ed up by Gohan landing on him, Gohan who's definitely nowhere near the weight of a Bijuudama who at the time was also shrinking rapidly.
Doesn't matter if Vegeta could tank the explosion he couldn't take the weight it's easily hundreds of thousands of tons and with its destructive capacity probably wouldn't feel powerful so he'd attempt a tank.

Steve

Nov 14 2014, 01:16 PM

supersaqer

Nov 13 2014, 08:28 PM

Who did bring PL in here? I'm sure I didn't, and I'm sure I didn't see anywhere.

I don't care if Naruto can fire a lot of Bijuudamas with his stamina. He was out of gas after fighting Kaguya, and his All Release Bijuudama combo didn't do anything even remotely close to planet level destruction.

Naruto won't be capable of taking on Vegeta. He'd have trouble against Raditz.

I'm not saying you did but people here seem to be under the impression that because Vegeta has thousands more PL than raditz that makes him able to beat everyone in Naruto when Naruto characters strength doesn't scale linearly like that.

He was out of gas after fighting Kaguya and a whole war for lile over a day he wasn't at 100%...
Because he wasn't trying to destroy the planet maybe? Naruto could easily core bust jhe just wouldn't because he canmt survive in space and it's a retarded thing to do if you can't.

Raditz who got beat by a Full Nelson and an attack that takes like 5 minutes to charge.


Vegeta is a core buster not a planet buster, there's a massive gap between being able to bust the core and set off the planet destroying chain reaction and blowing up a planet with a single explosion if Vegeta core busts at say 60k being at 120k doesn't make him a planet buster if you have to destroy a relatively small corr to blow a planet up it takes wayyyy longer to have the destructive capacity to blow up a whole planet...



So we've established how DBZ characters don't have great physical strength right? I mean everyone here knows they can't lift thousands and thousands of tons? Least not in Namek levels.

So how does Vegeta tank being squished by a Bijuudama?
Remember he got f***ed up by Gohan landing on him, Gohan who's definitely nowhere near the weight of a Bijuudama who at the time was also shrinking rapidly.
Doesn't matter if Vegeta could tank the explosion he couldn't take the weight it's easily hundreds of thousands of tons and with its destructive capacity probably wouldn't feel powerful so he'd attempt a tank.