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| Goku Black | Nov 11 2014, 10:47 PM Post #1 |
 
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Who wins? This is the vegeta after krillin hit him. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 12 2014, 01:16 AM Post #31 |
 
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Wait doesn't ki in general in dbz have genki? How does genki help? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Nov 12 2014, 01:18 AM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 12 2014, 01:21 AM Post #32 |
 
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Augmented physical attacks max out at Gotenks' crater feat against Boo. While that particular attack would kill Sasuke, this Vegeta can't do anything nearly as impressive. http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=9074588&t=8508240 Vegeta can't do genki dama afaik. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 12 2014, 01:28 AM Post #33 |
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How is the spirit bomb any different if toriyama said ki in general has genki in it?
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| Mihawk | Nov 12 2014, 01:30 AM Post #34 |
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Because genki dama is stated to use energy from the Earth and surroundings. I think that should make it fair game to equate to sage chakra.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 12 2014, 01:56 AM Post #35 |
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Since naruto doesn't have very good durability compared to vegeta in terms of energy attacks, couldn't vegeta just do this?
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| Mihawk | Nov 12 2014, 02:04 AM Post #36 |
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Not sure. What type of attack is that? Does that Daiz give any hints? We've never seen it done before. It could be specific to Saibamen kinda like a remote control. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 12 2014, 02:15 AM Post #37 |
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Piccolo said it was vegetas power. So it's not specific to saibamen. Not sure exactly what kind of attack it is but it doesn't look like its avoidable. I think it's the same thing frieza did to krillin. Only I don't think vegeta can do the telekinesis part. That's the only difference. So I think vegeta takes this Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Nov 12 2014, 05:05 AM.
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| + Steve | Nov 12 2014, 10:18 AM Post #38 |
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Not really, Saibamen can't sense energy can they? It's probably very avoidable, it seems like the same technique used on Cui, who also can't sense. And then when sensing is the norm that technique is never used again. Naruto has emotion sensing and energy sensing so he'd both know an attack was coming and sense it. Also Vegeta's gonna have a hard time hitting Naruto with a decent Ki attack he's not stupid enough to try tank it. Plus Bijuudama should be able to deflect them, since it's extremely heavy I can't see how Vegeta at this level would push back an attack that heavy and dense. |
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| + supersaqer | Nov 12 2014, 01:15 PM Post #39 |
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Vegeta's ki blast was going to wipe out Namek, which is noted to be a very large planet. What's Naruto going to do here exactly? |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Nov 12 2014, 03:09 PM Post #40 |
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And Frieza was capable of bounching it back with a mere kick with his strengh. As for the fight, i think it's a good fight here, Vegeta has the DC to oneshot Naruto at any point of the series, and i think he is also faster than him. So i say Vegeta wins unless Naruto uses shadow clones or something. |
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| + Steve | Nov 12 2014, 04:10 PM Post #41 |
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He uses that how? No blast that powerful can be charged instantly Naruto isn't a DB character he won't stand there with his thumb up his a*** he can make 100 clones to go up there and smash Bijuudama's in to his face. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 12 2014, 05:04 PM Post #42 |
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@steve I'm having trouble trying to figure out what it is exactly. I don't think it's a kiai since kiais clearly start from the person firing it and actually hit something while this attack seems like it starts from inside the person and makes them implode. That's why I can't see how it's avoidable. Kiais weren't even avoidable either. And it was used again actually against people who can sense. Frieza did it to krillin. Krillin could sense energy but still wasn't able to avoid it or even know it was coming. Incase you're wondering, in the manga, there was nothing that frieza fired that had to make it to krillin and make gohan yell "krillin look out!" So I really think this attack just starts from inside their opponent and makes them implode. Can't find a daiz entry on tbh though Also, vegeta at this point doesn't have to charge a planet busting ki blast unless he's using an actual technique like galick gun or final flash or something. And we saw that he doesn't need to when he did it against frieza. An unamped ki blast has never once had to be charged in the manga. They're fired right away and easily strong enough to be planet busters Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Nov 12 2014, 05:27 PM.
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| + Majin Vegeta | Nov 12 2014, 05:38 PM Post #43 |
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No again, Vegeta literally charged the attack in a panel and instantly, he doesn't need time at all. And Vegeta wouldn't stay to eat that either. |
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| Arkadom | Nov 12 2014, 05:49 PM Post #44 |
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I've argued enough points in other/past threads for Naruto characters, but honestly, Naruto himself is the easiest to argue for. Base rasenshuriken @ vs Kakuzu = powerful enough to erode a crater into the ground. The rasengan, and by extension rasenshuriken, swirls chakra with such concentration and density that despite it's spherical shape slices things to pieces with thousands of rotations of chakra and considerable weight too, all the while not requiring that much chakra because it can easily be cancelled and is just chakra in the user's hand, thus making it a very repeatable attack. Later on in the series, Naruto upgrades rasenshuriken multiple times: Lava rasenshuriken was capable of cutting the god tree at the base, and it had huge, very wide radius, he is also capable of throwing it, manipulating it's direction and disguising clones within and around it for further attacks. Naruto later on converts all of the bijuu chakras into 9 separate rasen-shurikens, each with different properties. The one-tailed rasenshuriken is capable of sealing the movements of anything it hits, and consider the rasen-shuriken can expand, it's a very high chance of connection. Two tailed rasenshuriken has blue fire comparable to Amaterasu, though it's possible to put out it burns at equal if not hotter temperatures. Three-tailed is water, and basing it on the Three-Tails abilities itself, once the water gets on to an enemy the Coral release can be activated from it, thus impaling and skewering anyone caught in the splash. Four-Tails is the lava one, same as before. Five-Tails is a steam/boil powered one, it has incredible heat and based on the boil release, it has such a high density that the impact alone could potentially break the entirety of a victim's body at a high enough velocity, and consider Naruto can fire out these attacks like bullets out of an AK, I doubt that would be a problem. Six-Tails is acidic bubbles, and can split and multiple like bubbles, quite simple. Seven-Tails is giga powered, and also has explosive power, creating very large explosions. Eight Tails is filled with ink which can hinder the enemy's movements greatly and disrupt their chakra. Nine-Tails is just incredibly powerful, having the fastest rotations. And then at the end of the series VS Sasuke, Naruto uses two "final" rasenshurikens, and both of these cause an explosion so great it dwarfed the Valley Of The End, quite a large land mark. And it was half of the explosion, Sasuke's arrow caused the other half, so Naruto's own attack by itself still dwarfed the valley. Now, take into consideration Naruto easily has the chakra to make armies of hundreds, if not thousands, of clones, and they can all use ANY of these at will without assistance. 1000 of those together? Death. Everywhere. And that's just one attack, I haven't even bothered mentioning how his Kyuubi chakra can envelop other energy and basically compress it into nothingness, even shrugging off the power of Sasuke's Amaterasu, and he has access to every chakra nature, as well as the ability to instantly regenerate organs (Kakashi's eye) and stabilise a life force and completely negate death (Gai.) Now let's also take into consideration Naruto's debut after receiving the Six Paths power. He deflected one of Madara's truth seeking spheres, which are pure chakra that erode and kill pretty much anything they contact (as seen with Hiruzen and Minato) and Naruto effortlessly kicked it back at Madara, appearing fast enough to stop the attack and not being damaged by it at all, meaning he either has monster-level durability against energy based attacks, or is completely immune to energy, which is later proven untrue. Thus this means he has very high durability. He can use the power of all tailed beasts at his command, can form armies of clones, all of which can use the same techniques with no real penalty, and has speed so incredibly fast that he dodged a lighting-speed attack from Ay (an earlier feat) and managed to keep up with Sasuke, a teleporter, without any visual aid such as the sharingan so quickly neither opponents were actually able to react for a few moments. This is a pretty fair fight though, Vegeta's got some good displays of power under his belt, and Naruto doesn't have the rinnegan energy absorption benefits, but he is also a master strategist in battle and could probably fool Vegeta quite easily. On the other hand, Vegeta has very powerful blasts, he may not be able to be confused because clones tend to expire in a couple of hits so he'd be able to find the original without too much trouble by just blasting everything. It's a debatable fight, I won't even give a verdict on this one seeing as I believe Naruto to be stronger than Sasuke (slightly) and at this point in the manga considered Vegeta to be stronger than Goku, I'd leave this up to being maybe a draw. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 12 2014, 06:03 PM Post #45 |
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What's your take on vegeta pointing his fingers at people and making them implode? |
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