Sasuke (EoN) vs Goku (Post 100G Training)

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Sasuke (EoN) vs Goku (Post 100G Training)
Tweet Topic Started: Nov 9 2014, 06:42 PM (4,911 Views)
Mihawk	Nov 9 2014, 06:42 PM Post #1
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Who wins? Goku is shown to be incredibly fast, although to what degree is largely vague Goku's maximum KHH blast can destroy Earth Saskue seems to be able to swap places with the air, effectively making him a teleporter (does expend his chakra) Sasuke's strongest attack caused in EQ when colliding and canceling and equally powerful attack.

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+ Pyrus	Nov 14 2014, 05:14 PM Post #121
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	We don't need to calculate Piccolo's weight. It's obvious just by looking at him that he weighs more than a couple tanks.
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Mihawk	Nov 14 2014, 05:16 PM Post #122
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	@saqer Only replying to what I've haven't already replied to quite a few times. Prove that punching Freeza through islands is beyond the limit of 40 tons (while flying). Prove both feats you're claiming. @Pyrus prove it 40 tons is already proven. Anything against it actually needs to be proven to be true. Edited by Mihawk, Nov 14 2014, 05:25 PM.



+ Ssj3vegito96	Nov 14 2014, 05:30 PM Post #123
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Lifting 40 tons has nothing to do with how hard goku can hit. No relation at all
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Mihawk	Nov 14 2014, 05:34 PM Post #124
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	I agree with the premise that lifting strength shouldn't be used to gauge punching strength, but there is some small correlation, albeit a small one. You're right though I think I went a bit off topic there.



* Yu Narukami	Nov 14 2014, 06:09 PM Post #125
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Itachi, do you have some scans of the Lee vs Gaara fight? Lee did some serious damage when he kicked off into a run



DSTREET45	Nov 14 2014, 09:43 PM Post #126
Posts: 883 Group: Member Member #9,779 Joined: July 21, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball/Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Yu Yu Hakusho	ARGH!! Again with the 40 ton thing? The training Goku was doing with those weights is similar, if not outright identical, to Goku wearing weights back in the 23rd Budokai. Everyone was shocked that Goku was able to move with over 200 lbs of weight even though Goku had long surpassed the level required to lift that very same amount. Not to mention that Krillin couldn't even move with Goku's 40-50 lbs boots weighing him down despite the fact that even as a kid he was casually tossing full grown men (in some cases even huge guys like this) Spoiler: click to toggle ^^^^^I seriously doubt that guy weighs less than 100 lbs In short, that weight training proves nothing about Goku's lifting strength. As for the topic I have nothing to add, I just wanted to set things straight about the weights. Edited by DSTREET45, Nov 14 2014, 09:46 PM.



Mihawk	Nov 14 2014, 10:11 PM Post #127
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	DSTREET45 Nov 14 2014, 09:43 PM ARGH!! Again with the 40 ton thing? The training Goku was doing with those weights is similar, if not outright identical, to Goku wearing weights back in the 23rd Budokai. Everyone was shocked that Goku was able to move with over 200 lbs of weight even though Goku had long surpassed the level required to lift that very same amount. Not to mention that Krillin couldn't even move with Goku's 40-50 lbs boots weighing him down despite the fact that even as a kid he was casually tossing full grown men (in some cases even huge guys like this) Spoiler: click to toggle ^^^^^I seriously doubt that guy weighs less than 100 lbs In short, that weight training proves nothing about Goku's lifting strength. As for the topic I have nothing to add, I just wanted to set things straight about the weights. All you did was point out that there are some inconsistencies in DB. If I remember the scene you're talking about it doesn't have to be an inconsistency either, it could just be a shock factor of Goku actually fighting with 200 on him rather than pushing or lifting it. The Krillin scene doesn't have to be an inconsistency either. We don't see Krillin actually trying to take a step, he probably just means how are you moving around so freely in the boots. I can see myself doing the same thing. We also don't know the correlation Toriyama placed between leg strength and arm strength, so it's entirely possible Krillin could have weak legs in comparison to his max hurl. Inconsistency don't cancel out the fact that Goku couldn't stay afloat when he was given 40 tons (and like I said they don't have to be inconsistencies). I've seen that argument before with it just being weight training. IMO it's kind of a way to not think about what you're saying. Think about it - weight training or not, he should still be able to stay afloat regardless of the regimen he's in. Having that bent over form is an attack on his pride. Also this is completely irrelevant and off topic to this thread at this point, I recommend you create a new thread or PM me if you have any more questions.



+ Steve	Nov 15 2014, 12:59 AM Post #128
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	The whole lifting strength =/= striking strength thing isn't an argument anyway, they're still going to be relative to each other. Nobody who maxes out at 50KG is going to be able to punch with a billion tons of force for example. If anything striking strength should be less unless there's a significant amount of weight put in to the attack, Ki is never stated to add any extreme weight to anything. There's also the Z Sword, which evidently doesn't weigh thousands of tons or it'd be cracking the ground or making a huge thud when being placed or dropped. Sasuke also made an attack which could presumably pierce a Bijuudama, that alone is extremely impressive, to liken it to something in DB, it's like Katchin. It's not something that could be tanked or destroyed with ease.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Nov 15 2014, 01:52 AM Post #129
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	I still can't think of a reason why striking strength would be effected by lifting strength at all. They're completely different actions. Force=mass x acceleration. Your muscle strength has nothing to do with it
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+ Steve	Nov 16 2014, 02:35 AM Post #130
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Well you need muscle strength to punch the mass wouldn't be much either so strength would be the key factor, although Ki would boost it somewhat but clearly not all that much. It'd be fairly impossible for someone to have extreme lifting strength but weak striking strength or vice versa, unless somehow cursed or using a technique that specifically boosts one. Like Kakashi if you consider Raikiri striking strength, makes him punch through most things with ease but in no way helps him lift anything. Ki's never been stated to have that kind of effect and it's never been shown.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Nov 16 2014, 03:34 AM Post #131
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Steve Nov 16 2014, 02:35 AM It'd be fairly impossible for someone to have extreme lifting strength but weak striking strength or vice versa This isn't true at all. It's just hard for some people to believe. Just ask the flash A body builder for example does not hit harder because he's stronger. He hits harder because he has a lot of mass. Punching has a lot to do with fast vs slow twitch muscle fibers. Punching is not a pushing or lifting action. It's an explosive snapping motion Boxers hit harder than body builders because 1. They have technique 2. Are faster 3. They train their fast twitch muscle fibers a lot You cannot say, "A can lift a lot more weight than this B so he probably hits harder". It's purely assumption Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Nov 16 2014, 03:38 AM.
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Mihawk	Nov 16 2014, 03:43 AM Post #132
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Yeah as I've said many times Goku can punch Freeza through multiple islands yet he can't pick up 10 tons on each limb. It's a fiction thing you just have to accept.



+ Pointer	Nov 16 2014, 07:22 AM Post #133
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	wolffanghameha Nov 16 2014, 03:43 AM Yeah as I've said many times Goku can punch Freeza through multiple islands yet he can't pick up 10 tons on each limb. It's a fiction thing you just have to accept. dont forget that punching strength is not the same as lifting strength. The power is way different when you punch you use momentum thus speed when you lift you dont



+ Pyrus	Nov 16 2014, 07:57 AM Post #134
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Lifting strength doesn't equate to pulling strength doesn't equate to pushing strength doesn't equate to striking strength. What isn't obvious? Spoiler: click to toggle @Itachi, you probably figured I was jesting with the 40 ton thing. You know I'm behind you 100% on that. Edited by Pyrus, Nov 16 2014, 07:58 AM.
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+ Steve	Nov 16 2014, 09:51 PM Post #135
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Ssj3vegito96 Nov 16 2014, 03:34 AM Steve Nov 16 2014, 02:35 AM It'd be fairly impossible for someone to have extreme lifting strength but weak striking strength or vice versa This isn't true at all. It's just hard for some people to believe. Just ask the flash A body builder for example does not hit harder because he's stronger. He hits harder because he has a lot of mass. Punching has a lot to do with fast vs slow twitch muscle fibers. Punching is not a pushing or lifting action. It's an explosive snapping motion Boxers hit harder than body builders because 1. They have technique 2. Are faster 3. They train their fast twitch muscle fibers a lot You cannot say, "A can lift a lot more weight than this B so he probably hits harder". It's purely assumption The two are still very related there is no way you can train your body in such a way that one set of muscles would be significantly weaker than the other. Not only that but it's extremely illogical that Goku and co. would only focus on one set anyway so striking strength =/= lifting strength is an irrelevant argument really it makes no sense for Goku to only lift 40 tons but punch with hundreds of megatons of force.
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