supersaqer

Nov 13 2014, 08:21 PM

As well Madara's feat is through his energy too, unless you want to point that Susanoo isn't energy.

Can Naruto regenerate from getting ripped apart?


Damaged? He was completely fine. You're trying to push the edge but that'll get you in trouble. Naruto is nowhere near Recoome either. He's not pathetically weak either, at least compared to Namek Saga DBZ. Treating Vegeta like fodder isn't rubbish at all.

In one of the manga releases' cover. When Frieza begun to destroy Vegeta, Goku woke up and got out. There was no timeframe given, but as Frieza was going to kill Vegeta, Goku powered through and reached there before Vegeta was killed. Unless you think that Frieza held his hand up for minutes or something, it must have been a few seconds only.

It actually does in a manga like DBZ.

Goku could deflect an attack several times that was stated to be light, and was suggested that it meant the speed, Piccolo said something along those lines. Don't remember that really well though, but what I remember that they were amazed at Goku deflecting "light".

Water didn't do anything to her really, and Sasuke absorbed it after a while. Goku doesn't have much skin showing. Just his arms really, and he could knock the fire out, the same way Nagato did.

He dodge it because he's simply faster.

Of course I have. He was really bad, and only kept because he wanted to know the secret. I could say the same to the Raikage too because he doesn't b*** out.

That's not pain tolerance. A way stronger character was pretty much hitting him.


Would Genjutsu even work on Goku? Ki doesn't work like Chakra, and Goku would notice that something is affecting his Ki. He could take it away by simply powering up or turning it down.

Goku would blitz and oneshot Sasuke. You didn't prove that Sasuke has anything to hurt Goku, and Goku is strong enough to take him down no argument.

Pointer

Nov 14 2014, 12:02 PM

Can Sasuke blow up planets like Vegeta did?

No..

Speed- Vegeta

Strength- Vegeta

Only way Sasuke could win is genjustu

wolffanghameha

Nov 14 2014, 02:53 PM

Pointer

Nov 14 2014, 12:02 PM

Can Sasuke blow up planets like Vegeta did?

No..

Speed- Vegeta

Strength- Vegeta

Only way Sasuke could win is genjustu

You're posting in the wrong thread. On top of that you didn't read the thread. Naruto and Sasuke both win in speed, and Naruto also wins in the strength department. Goku/Vegeta only win in the ki blast department.

Steve

Nov 14 2014, 02:03 PM

supersaqer

Nov 13 2014, 08:21 PM

As well Madara's feat is through his energy too, unless you want to point that Susanoo isn't energy.

Can Naruto regenerate from getting ripped apart?


Damaged? He was completely fine. You're trying to push the edge but that'll get you in trouble. Naruto is nowhere near Recoome either. He's not pathetically weak either, at least compared to Namek Saga DBZ. Treating Vegeta like fodder isn't rubbish at all.

In one of the manga releases' cover. When Frieza begun to destroy Vegeta, Goku woke up and got out. There was no timeframe given, but as Frieza was going to kill Vegeta, Goku powered through and reached there before Vegeta was killed. Unless you think that Frieza held his hand up for minutes or something, it must have been a few seconds only.

It actually does in a manga like DBZ.

Goku could deflect an attack several times that was stated to be light, and was suggested that it meant the speed, Piccolo said something along those lines. Don't remember that really well though, but what I remember that they were amazed at Goku deflecting "light".

Water didn't do anything to her really, and Sasuke absorbed it after a while. Goku doesn't have much skin showing. Just his arms really, and he could knock the fire out, the same way Nagato did.

He dodge it because he's simply faster.

Of course I have. He was really bad, and only kept because he wanted to know the secret. I could say the same to the Raikage too because he doesn't b*** out.

That's not pain tolerance. A way stronger character was pretty much hitting him.


Would Genjutsu even work on Goku? Ki doesn't work like Chakra, and Goku would notice that something is affecting his Ki. He could take it away by simply powering up or turning it down.

Goku would blitz and oneshot Sasuke. You didn't prove that Sasuke has anything to hurt Goku, and Goku is strong enough to take him down no argument.

Irrelevant, even though Susano'o is made of energy it still has physical strength. It might not be Sasukems muscle strength but it's still part of his physical power.

Can you prove Goku is capable of that?

No he wasn't he was bruised all over and missing teeth IIRC just because Sasuke doesn't throw around as destructive attacks all the time doesn't mean he's weaker he can effortlessly perform ohysical attacks equal to or above Buu Saga levels which is far superior to anything Goku can take.

Well that could easily just be a showcasing of events that have been happening things like that don't happen on covers they're artwork plus that's extremely inconsistent as that kind of speed is never shown again until Gotenks so it makes no sense.

What attack was that? (I went and deleted my quote before reading it lol on my iPod so can't go back and check without losing this post)

No I was meaning she was literally on water which in no way affected the fire burning her, she was dead meat Sasuke just saved her in time. Amaterasu spreads everywhere and Sasuke can completely control it, form it in to blades or whatever he wants Goku can't touch him without getting burned.
Nagato could only do that because he has the absolute power to repel all things, Goku does not. Not to mention Goku has no real way of knowing how powerful it is, regular fire wouldn't do anything to him why fear some black fire?

Prove that he's faster or fast enough to make a difference, being faster isn't a win Naruto is way far and away faster than him but Sasuke's senses and teleporting equal it out. And speed doesn't help Goku beat such a big target.

Jiraiya was still ready to fight he wasn't finished off just yet Pain was just superior and done fatal damage.

Why wouldn't it? Ki = chakra they're just represented differently, they're all based on the same life energy just obviously mangaka can't copy each other completely.
Powering up or down doesn't do anything on it's own an outside source to stabalize the energy, Genjutsu messes with people's whole bodies and brains.

Not to mention whatever Sasuke does in the Genjutsu he'd mess Goku up good he could make Gohan and Chi-Chi appear and get blown up by his attacks or skin them alive, Kakashi was broken for days after Itachi tortured him and he's had so mich experience with death and loss that Goku hasn't at all. Of course Sasuke doesn't use Genjutsu as good but at his EoN level it's doubtful he couldn't do something similar or better.

You can't prove Goku would do that, just saying he would has no validity I've mentioned plenty of clear feats used mentioned sketchy ones and just stated Goku would win pretty much. Your argument isn't an argument, no argument.

wolffanghameha

Nov 14 2014, 04:03 PM

To note Goku actually wouldn't be crushed by Bijuudama. While he doesn't have the physical strength to hold up 40 tons, he can do it if it comes in the form of Ki. That's why he was able to hold up the genki dama which apparently was as heavy as the planet.

Rasenshuriken bijuudama would probably cause him some serious damage on the other hand do to it's nature of destroying you on a cellular level. I'd say 1 would be more than enough incapacitate him to some degree.

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Goku could do that because he oneshotted Recoome who took on Vegeta's strongest blast. That way he'd rip Sasuke apart.
It's not life energy. Akira stated that life energy is yoki or something in an interview, and chakra works like our circulatory system. Ki works differently.
It was stated that to break Genjutsu, you need to increase your chakra dramatically, and lower it. Goku can easily do that.
Sasuke's genjutsu isn't on par with Itachi, and it's out of his style to use genjutsu now, especially with strong people.
We'd run in circles. Goku oneshots him due to the huge gap in strength, durability, and speed.

Pyrus

Nov 14 2014, 04:38 PM

Giant Piccolo disproves the 40 ton thing. Mistake on Toriyama's part, I'm guessing; he probably didn't think it through when he was drawing it up since he'd already shown instances where 40 tons is nothing.

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 14 2014, 04:39 PM

But isn't pushing a house boulder evidence against the 40 tons? Not saying he can lift much more than 40 tons but it's evidence that the lifting 40 tons thing doesn't have much to do with how much can he push isn't it? Idk. Doesn't really matter I'm just curious

wolffanghameha

Nov 14 2014, 04:03 PM

To note Goku actually wouldn't be crushed by Bijuudama. While he doesn't have the physical strength to hold up 40 tons, he can do it if it comes in the form of Ki. That's why he was able to hold up the genki dama which apparently was as heavy as the planet.

Rasenshuriken bijuudama would probably cause him some serious damage on the other hand do to it's nature of destroying you on a cellular level. I'd say 1 would be more than enough incapacitate him to some degree.