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| Sasuke (EoN) vs Goku (Post 100G Training) | |
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| Mihawk | Nov 9 2014, 06:42 PM Post #1 |
 
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Who wins? Goku is shown to be incredibly fast, although to what degree is largely vague Goku's maximum KHH blast can destroy Earth Saskue seems to be able to swap places with the air, effectively making him a teleporter (does expend his chakra) Sasuke's strongest attack caused in EQ when colliding and canceling and equally powerful attack. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 11 2014, 11:11 PM Post #46 |
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Energy beams most likely have very high acceleration when they leave the Earth's atmosphere. And in case someone says "Toriyama never thought of that" - I agree, but he also never thought of the implications of having a beam travel to the moon from Earth. He has some clear numbers already on their speeds with Nimbus, and Gotenks' feat later on is the only implication that they have such absurd speeds much later in the series. |
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Nov 11 2014, 11:14 PM Post #47 |
 
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author's intent doesn't mean much http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathOfTheAuthor |
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| Mihawk | Nov 11 2014, 11:17 PM Post #48 |
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Death of the author is a literary tool to maximize enjoyment from reading. It doesn't cancel out people's arguments about the intent of the author. Plus if we used that, the moon distance is suddenly gone from the interview, and suddenly you don't like death of the author anymore. |
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Nov 11 2014, 11:19 PM Post #49 |
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The moon distance would still be the same since we have nothing to say it's closer/farther away from the earth Heck the dragonball solar system has jupiter that alone would tell you that they have the same solar system as our own Occams razor |
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| Mihawk | Nov 11 2014, 11:23 PM Post #50 |
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Wrong. There's a lot to suggest the DBZ universe is much, much smaller. 1. The drawings on the page make it seem as if the moon is buildings height away. Never should the moon be seen so large. 2. Boss rabbit was able to breathe on the moon (before gag scene retort, death of the author cancels this). 3. The Daiz sketch shows that a 5 million long path way takes up half the universe. 4. There's only 4 galaxies |
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Nov 11 2014, 11:29 PM Post #51 |
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1.Artists don't make things to scale 2.That doesn't make sense how does this make the db verse smaller? Boss rabbit can turn people into carrots he has magical powers 3.Once again read 1 4.Where again does that prove the solar system is small? Edited by King Kakarot, Nov 11 2014, 11:33 PM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 11 2014, 11:45 PM Post #52 |
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1. Death of the author. Artists don't exist anymore. Only the story does. 2. The moon is in the Earth's atmosphere. 3. Once again read 1 4. A universe with 4 galaxies is very small |
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Nov 11 2014, 11:50 PM Post #53 |
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1. Google Supermoon 2. That is implied nowhere 4. So the universe has 4 galaxies please prove the galaxies are smaller than our own then prove that the solar systems are smaller heck since you mentioned it there is actually an excerpt that says the db universe has an infinite amount of galaxies |
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| Mihawk | Nov 11 2014, 11:56 PM Post #54 |
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1. The moon doesn't look 14% larger, it looks around 200% larger than normal. Also gotta lol at the notion that the moon happened to be closest when Piccolo shot his beam. 2. It's implied when Boss Rabbit was able to breath on the moon. Same as the shape changing pig he wasn't shown to have magic outside his ability. 4. The "infinite galaxies" could debunk what I'm saying here. I'd like the excerpt. Also I'm not saying the galaxies are smaller than our own. They could be the same size but still effectively make the universe tiny. |
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Nov 12 2014, 12:04 AM Post #55 |
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1. This is all based on the fact your're scaling things when they aren't made to scale in the first place I could show you people in space that look bigger than planets 2. Funny last i checked nowhere in the manga was it ever stated there was air on the moon. 4.
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| Mihawk | Nov 12 2014, 12:47 AM Post #56 |
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1. The people look bigger because the "camera" is close to them 2. It doesn't have to be stated to be true. Implications work just as well. 4. Fair point, duly noted. |
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| + Steve | Nov 12 2014, 01:23 AM Post #57 |
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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Brrrringing that back to the fight. It's pretty clear that the raw strength of Sasuke's Susano'o is way more than Goku can handle at this point, at least 50% Madara's Perfect Susano'o cut 3 mountains with just a swing that's how massively powerful it is, it never fired a chakra blast of any sort that's just it's physical strength. Sasuke is way more powerful and has the absolute most powerful Susano'o, he's also many times stronger than that Madara thus his Susano'o would hit way way harder. Goku couldn't tank that shockwave alone nevermind a direct hit he'd be cut to ribbons and given that it's a shockwave he can't sense it as Ki and it covers a dam wide range. And it's literally just a swing too so it's not going to use up Sasuke's chakra much, if at all he can just stand there swinging until Goku gets hit, even if he can dodge, not forever. Then if he wants to speed behind Sasuke his movements would be seen for one thing, charging a blast would take too long and a physical hit is effortlessly countered by Enton, resulting in Goku's swift death. The only way Goku would win is if Sasuke broke down and started crying because he couldn't pick from his multitude of options on how to defeat Goku. EDIT off topic but a cool fight could be Oozaru Vegeta vs Sasuke, Oozaru vs Susano'o would be epic to see. Edited by Steve, Nov 12 2014, 01:24 AM.
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| Arkadom | Nov 12 2014, 01:25 AM Post #58 |
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Bargle nawdle zouss
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Well, first of all, I don't think Naruto vs Dragon Ball debates should continue, mainly because the majority of people arguing for Dragon Ball use very varying and malleable statements that can fit their own agenda and have no solid basis, and because people refuse to believe any other manga can compete with DB, when there are many which can, Guren Laggann and Saint Seiya, for instance, could take probably even end of GT level enemies. Naruto characters can probably take roughly early-Namek characters without any kind of powered up states like the Eight Gates. Now, let's get the Sasuke points out of the way: Sasuke has access to all chakra natures, which means he has the potential for all of the kekkei genkai such as Wood, Boil, Lava and Ice release, and many others, as well as the basic ones (fire/water/earth/wind/lightning.) He also has both Yin and Yang chakra, meaning he has very high healing and durability for a character of his series, combined with his Ultimate Susano'o he has basically an impenetrable fortress, and Sasuke uses Susano'o very quickly to finish fights as fast as possible. Thus, physical attacks won't do much (not at early Namek level anyway) against Sasuke if he's already prepared with Susano'o. Then there's the matter of the rinnegan, which allows him to absorb energy based attacks. Basically, Goku's only energy attack that is likely to get through Susano'o and not be absorbed is the Spirit Bomb, and I'm not even sure about that one. The only downside to Sasuke's absorption is that he cannot attack while absorbing, but he could maintain his Susano'o, meaning nothing would really happen. Sasuke can also create entire satellites through chibaku tensei, which is already a very destructive feat, has access to his Black Chidori blade which can extend to pretty much any length his chakra can reach and can also be channelled through the ground and made to paralyse opponents, he also has Blaze release, genjutsu, very high physical strength compared to most humans, the sharingan, the ability to swap places with anything he can see, as well as simply move himself without something in his sight albeit being unable to swap with things he cannot see, thus only warping himself. With all of the benefits of the rinnegan as well as the sharingan, Sasuke actually does have a pretty decent chance if he has access to every. Against Goku at this level, Goku was not shown with too many feats except for the speed at which he reached Gohan while using kaioken. Goku's strength alone could probably not get through Susano'o, and even if it created a crack or a hole because it's made of pure chakra that damage can be fixed very quickly, and his energy attacks minus the spirit bomb would be absorbed. At this point, Goku had not yet shown the ability to deflect a sword like he did against Trunks, so it's unknown if he has that kind of durability, however by channelling chidori through the blade it multiplies the cutting power by about a factor of 20. Black chidori is at least double that, so about a factor of 40. Sasuke's chidori blade bisected Madara effortlessly despite him showing huge resilience against Gai in all 8 gates, only receiving significant body damage from Gai's final attack, while Naruto and Sasuke individually were putting Madara on the defensive one at a time. Goku's speed is the main threat here, and even then only really with kaioken. If Sasuke's sharingan for some reason cannot follow his speed, Sasuke can perhaps sloppily dodge but not react fast enough to teleport or counter, and if Goku can get in before Sasuke summons his Susano'o it's quite possible that Goku would beat Sasuke in close-range hand to hand combat, as Sasuke is a mid-range fighter. Honestly, quite an even split, it could go either way depending on how the fight plays out. Goku's habit of trying to enjoy a fight would be his downfall due to Sasuke being the opposite, typically going all out very quickly, and only delaying to understand his opponent better to finish even faster, so with these parameters I'd say it's a pretty balanced fight, but Goku would lose on a technicality. |
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| + supersaqer | Nov 12 2014, 12:44 PM Post #59 |
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He failed to do that to someone his level, and what's the sword going to do to Goku? What I can think of is breaking on impact. Goku would blitz and oneshot Sasuke before he teleports. |
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| + Steve | Nov 12 2014, 01:29 PM Post #60 |
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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How? Even Madara's Susano'o performs what is a high end physical strength feat and his is a baby compared to Sasuke's. He doesn't hit Naruto with it because Naruto is in his Bijuu form and preparing an equally powerful attack plus Naruto is faster than him with raw speed. Also how could Goku possibly do that? All Sasuke has to be doing is seeing something, Goku would have to be so fast that he travels faster than the light from anything reaches Sasuke's eyes which is nonsense. Goku couldn't rush in without getting burned and with Amaterasu/Enton at the very least 6000 degrees he's not going to enjoy that. And no way would he fight while burning DB characters have very poor pain tolerance in comparison to Naruto characters who casually continue fighting after losing limbs. |
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